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zoanthids

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jnjsad, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    I am seeking general advice on zoanthids.  For example - the 'skirt' -is that basically the part around the center?  I have some zoas that are puffed up (like they want to burst) but are closed up.  I have some where only half colony wants to open.  I have some where zoas seem to be pointing up...and some where the outer skirt appears to be point/cascading down.  Generally speaking....I do not know what to do to get all zoas growing healthy...aside from steady water chemistry.  I've tried moving them up and moving them down and it seems to improve for about a day...then they go back to 'normal'.  Anyone can educate me on zoanthid basics?  My favia, chalice, and acans are all doing great.  One of my blastos I'm starting to see skeleton tissue it looks like.  I since placed him in low flow low light based on some research.  Fairly sure I have no 'pest' issues.  Thanks!
    Going to test water again tonight when kids go to bed and I have more time.
     
  2. Big John

    Big John Inactive User

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    Jason, I find zoas do best lower in the tank, also, keep in mind they also do better in a tank that's not "polished" clean, a bit dirtier if you will, Acans as well.Good luck!One person you may want to speak with, is Glaspie, you may want to send him a PM.
     
  3. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    most of my zoas and acans are on sand or about an inch off sand bed.  Par directly under light is about 100 fading off to about 60 on the bottom sides.  Tried to see recomended par readings for zoas and didn't find any.  I'm running LED's.  Par at top of tank is 580 if memory serves me right.  Also - zoas seem to be more willing to 'open up' at sunset when whites go out and blues stay on shortly before moon light turn on.  Not sure if I have whites too high??  They are running at 75% and blues are 100% in order to get the par readings noted above.
     
  4. glaspie69

    glaspie69 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    what all is in your tank for corals? zoas are somewhat of an odd beast to conquer some do super well 8 inches under a 400 watt halide, some need to be at the bottom of a 24 inch tank. I find them a personable coral, the only real way to know what they like is to watch them, notice there habits and adjust from there. I try to move one at a time until i get everyone in a happy home. try shading them under a ledge and see if they open up, if thats the case they probably havent gotten use to the light. Also check your water, zoas like "dirty" water, but most fail to realize by dirty most mean being well fed, they can take a beating if your parameters get out of hand, but it shouldnt be a practice to keep them in such conditions
     
  5. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Here are my parameters:

    Mag: 1480
    Alk: 7dkh
    Calc: 450
    pH: 8.09
    Salinity: 1.026

    I need to get my alk up to 12.
     
  6. Reeferforlyfe

    Reeferforlyfe Inactive User

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    Why 12? I used to run my alk high around 12, and now run it at 8-9, and my corals look better than running it at 11-12.
     
  7. glaspie69

    glaspie69 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Does the tank have alot of sps or lps in it?
     
  8. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    mostly lps - zoas, acans, chalice, only 4 sps (mili and slimmers), leather, and trumpet.
     
  9. Troy

    Troy Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I think you Alk is fine, What I see if the pH to be a little low.  Not in a bad range, but I personally like to keep it about 8.2.   I am struggling with the same zoa problem you are right at the moment.  I have even tried target feeding them, and still not opening up like they should.  Starting to wounder if it has something to do with the LED's?  Should throw a MH over it and see if that makes a difference.
     
  10. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    7-8 dKh is natural seawater level... if your tank isn't using alk quickly, keeping it around 7-8 dKh should be fine :=0)
     
  11. glaspie69

    glaspie69 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    With that small of an amount of calcium based corals I wouldn't worry a whole lot on ca,alk or mag. You water changes should be supplying plenty. Its good practice but definitely not a necessity. And i would turn the led down abit, thats alot of juice! But again its your tank and you should maintain it how you feel, do what makes the corals happy.
     
  12. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    I am currently experimenting with the LED power. Module hangs about 12" from tank.  They are dimmable and I control them through my apex. Right now sunrise is 0-75% over 2 hour time frame with royal blues coming on first and whites coming on 2 hours later. Midday is set at a constant 75% for about 8 hours. Then sunrise goes from 75-0% over a 2 hour period for both with moon lights coming on at the tail end. They seem to respond well in the am when the moon lights come on from overnight blackout period. I am having a hard time understanding their characteristics of when they are getting too much light or too little light. If they look 'grumpy' and don't want to come out to play - does that mean too bright or not enough light? If they look like they are melting away - does that have anything to do with lighting or more about chemistry? All are in about the same amount of flow - two MP10w es controlled by apex between pulse, reef crest, and lagoon throughout the day with the ocassional tidal swell and nutrient mode - max 80% power. 3x2x18" 60 gallon rimless tank.
     
  13. glaspie69

    glaspie69 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Id bet its too much light, if there opening during the moonlights then closing once the main lights come on. 75% is alot of light, roughly 2 175 halides give or take. Id try dropping the intensity to around 40% and see if they act the same.
     
  14. kyro

    kyro Inactive User

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    zoas in my tank grow like crazy and are open all the time. I have AI Sol whites set at White:40% Blue: 90%. Light is 8" of the water.
     
  15. kyro

    kyro Inactive User

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    my tank
    http://www.greateriowareefsociety.org/tabid/78/aft/26753/Default.aspx
     
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  16. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    what size of tank is this and how deep? In my 90 I run 2 SOL Blues which is 24 inchs deep and at their highest peak they are 40% white and 50% blue and royal blue. I would defiantly say you are running your lights to hot.
     
  17. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    Tank is 36x24x16. LED module is 12" from surface water. I did reduce the white led down to 40% and kept blues at 90%. The zoas had an improved appearance when I got home from work. I moved a couple around to experiment with placement at this light setting to see if that helps any.
     
  18. jnjsad

    jnjsad Inactive User

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    corals are looking much better. Thanks for the lighting suggestions.
     
  19. glaspie69

    glaspie69 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    no problem glad to see things turning around
     
  20. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    Target feed and back off on your water changes, they like water that is not super clean. (as Big John stated)
     

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