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The Ultimate DIY LED Project

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Andy The Reef Guy, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    It's finally time for me to move to new LED technology!!!!!
    I've ordered the needed components from RapidLED.com and I will finalize design measurements once I've had a chance to double check every piece.
    Of course there are a number of reasons people move to LED technology;
    -Lower energy costs
    -Lifespan of LED bulbs vs replacing MH's/T5's annually
    -Coloration adjustment
    -Ramp-up/ramp-down to ease transitions between day and night
    -Low to no heat output
    -Last but not least they make everything look better!!!!
    So I figured if I was going to DIY a light that was suppose to last me 10 years there were a couple of necessary design elements to address specifically. First, the dimensions had to be fairly modular such that adding additional units will accommodate a larger tank when I make that move. Second, and most importantly, waterproofing/durability. Of course AI and Orphek have both done a fantastic job of addressing both of these elements with their units by dressing the unit in an acrylic/ABS box. In order to achieve the amount of lighting I needed though I would need 8 AI units!!!! and the Orphek units aren't the correct dimensions to accommodate future growth. Both plug and play options were going to be expensive and leave me desiring more.
    As usual, I started brainstorming and whipped out SketchUp to make a prototype, and here it is;
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    This design was insanely laborious, however it will give me a reference and allow me to draw up all the exacting dimensions (although this is pretty close if all stated dimensions of components ordered = actual dimensions)
    All together there will be four units identical to this, two for my 120 and two for my 4x2' frag tank. Ballasts will be separate from the units and 12 will be mounted on a board and placed in a utility closet away from damage/exposure) All units will be controlled by a Neptune APEX Aquacontroller. Overall each unit is approximately 10.25x16" and each contains 36 LEDs (144 total) Each unit will contain one green and one red LED with an 80 degree lens.
    One unit will have built in potentiometers for two dimmable channels. It will operate routinely from the APEX, but will be switchable to built in dimming pots to serve as a mobile light for trade shows.
     
  2. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    I'm having an acrylic shop here in town do the machining. I haven't had the opportunity to talk with them yet about the tolerances and specificity of my measurements maybe somebody can tell me how exacting and percise my specifications can be? I'm hoping I can get these covers made for $300 or less. Bud have any guestimates on that? If it is cost prohibitive I will have the pieces cut and then do the LED holes myself on my grandpas drill press.
    My parts list currently includes the following:
    All out of 1/8" acrylic:
    (8x) 254x7.3mm
    (8x) 254x17mm
    (8x) 407.3x24mm
    (8x) 407.3x260.3mm
    (8x) 407.3x33.5mm
    Here's a final look at the light configuration and design:
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  3. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    Here's how the spacing dimensions are shaping up. I hope this is clear to anybody looking at it since I'm going to give this to somebody for machining.
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  4. lehrjet

    lehrjet Inactive User

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    I just did almost the same thing on my tank. I didn't do the acrylic work but used the red and green LEDs on each panel too. I also did something different withnmy whites and blues and I am very happy with them. I have three panels of 42 over my 220 using 6 different colors in each panel controlling them with my apex and very happy how it all worked out corals and fish seem to like them a lot.
     
  5. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    My understanding is that it is best to run two strings at 1.2A for the XP-E in parallel? Then my white XP-G's I will run a standard series string of 12. If I run the RB XP-E's in parallel will I be sacrificing their output? I'm thinking if I do that I may be able to get away with using just 2 drivers per panel, and then I might possible consider building the drivers into the panel. Elliot (erayk1) said he came up to see your project and was really impressed.
     
  6. danmgray Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I like your design, you've done your homework. I decided to harcoat anodize my fixtures to give them some long term protection from humidity and I went with natural convection for cooling versus using a fan. The fixtures run warm to the touch, but not hot, so I may loose a little efficiency. I have my ballasts mounted in a remote area. with a single chord running to the fixture. I added 1A fuses and 1 ohm resistors in series with each string of leds. The fuse will go before the LEDs in case of a power surge or accidental over adjustment when tuning the ballasts. The resistor gives a quick reference voltage equal to the current in the circuit, V=IR. I added a pic of my fixtue design in a photo album.
    http://girs.s3.amazonaws.com/0/acti...xtures.png
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  7. lehrjet

    lehrjet Inactive User

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    I did series because I control each of my four main colors separately and go for just about any combo of look I want and that works best for the tank. I have never ran parallel. Just be careful with your out put power on your blues greens and reds they can't use as much power as the xp-g ones. I set my white drivers at 1.4 and my blues which have my reds and greens at 850 which is even a bit higher than I normally do for others. Most of the time 750 is a good number for the blues. Not sure what the parallel does to the math so you maybe right on but just make sure you don't use 1.2 in series with the blues over time it will hurt them. I have 42 LEDs on a 10x16 inch heat sink and you can barely even feel it get warm. Just make sure the air movement is good and the acrylics have some vents and you'll be fine.
     
  8. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    Dan, did you buy your heatsinks pre-aniodized or did you have them done locally or send off?
     
  9. danmgray Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    My heat sinks were bare aluminum--I bought two from LEDGroupBuy and two directly from Heatsink USA. I sent them to Industrial plating in Omaha, NE, and specified: Type III, hardcoat anodize, Black. It was around $165 to do the four heatsinks, eight side brackets, and 16 spacers. I think regular anodize (type II) with black chromate conversion would have cost less and it may have been sufficient, but I wanted the extra durability and corrosion resistance of the hardcoat. I learned two things about the hardcoat:
    First I spent several hours polishing everything to a mirror finish before anodizing. I couldn't wait to see the results... When the parts came back, they looked great, but were no longer reflective. I would not recomend polishing anything, at least not for hardcoat.
    Second, I mounted the LED's with screws, so I had drilled and tapped all the holes before anodizing. This caused Industrial plating trouble because some of the chemicals stayed in the small holes and ran out, causing streaks in the black conversion coating. They insisted on redoing the parts to make them look good. I was very pleased with the result. If I were to do this again, I would consider anodizing before machining and just being careful not to scratch or mark up the finish too much.
    I ran all my LED's in series. I considered running RB's in parallel strings of 12, but that would have limited the upper range on the amperage.  You also need to balance the voltage drop over all the strings or one strand may be brighter than the others.  I have Mean Well ELN-60-48D ballasts and I seem to remember that thier power output was the limiting factor, but I would have to double check the datasheet to be sure. I bought my ballasts, manual dimming kit, and hanging kits from RapidLED.
    Right now, my ballasts are just screwed to a piece of plywood, but I will be redoing themd to making two "power supplies" soon to do something like you are suggesting. It will have two 0-10V input channels and moonlight inputs to interface with my RKE. It will have outputs to run one or two of my DIY LED fixtures. It will have switches to choose between an external controller (RKE), manual control (using the built in dimmer knobs), and be able to select either of the fixtures independently or both together. Parts should be here tuesday night. Cant wait!
    Thanks for starting this thread. I love to follow builds of all sorts. I wish I would have taken pictures as I made my LED lights or been around to start a thread.
     
  10. xmasia

    xmasia Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    a friend of mine is doing a very small led build and ordered everything from rapidled. he told me there are selling black anodized heat sinks.
     
  11. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    coo thanks for the advice dan! dually noted. I'm going down to my local plexi shop for a quote I've got my mockup measured and printed. I considered having Bud do it but it might be a tough project to do long distance.

    The problem with the anodized heat sinks from rapidled is that they are not large enough /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/sad.gif
     
  12. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    Here's a tip! Anyone ordering heat sinks for their light project make sure you order the correct size LOL.
     

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