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Skimmer issues

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Charlie B, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Charlie B

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    I have a reef octopus skimmer and it currently sounds like a washing machine mid cycle with alternating wooshes.  I have noticed that when I pinch the air intake line the noise goes away and the skimmer is very quiet.  Obviously with no air input the skimmer doesn't do anything, but I was hoping someone might have an idea of what I can do to try to fix the problem.  I've looked up countless videos of the reef octopus skimmers and while some of them are louder, it is always a constant volume, not a woosh woosh sound that mine is currently making.
    Any help or troubleshooting steps are appreciated!
     
  2. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    What model skimmer is it? Is it actually skimming correctly? Is it the water exiting that is making the noise, Do you have a muffler on the air line? Maybe some pics of how you have it set up will help. I've never experienced any noise like you are describing so I'm shooting in the dark without seeing/hearing it.
     
  3. Charlie B

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    It is the Reef Octopus DNWB 110. It is not producing any skimmate that I am aware of, and the bubble production seems to be low from what I have seen from others online. I will try to get some video of it tonight on my phone and post it to youtube so you can see/hear exactly what I am referring to. I don't know what a muffler on the air line would be, so I can't answer that question directly. This is my first non-nano sized skimmer, so I am shooting in the dark myself in reference to exactly how to utilize it correctly. The water exiting makes a normal splashing noise, and that is definitely not the noise in question. Again, I'll try to post a video, but it really sounds a lot like a washing machine that is alternating back and forth in the cleaning cycle.
     
  4. phishcrazee Experienced Reefkeeper

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    You can make a silencer for the airline tubing, just google skimmer silencer and you should get some DIY links. Basically, you use a small bottle like a pill bottle, drill it in two places and fill it loosely with cotton or something similar.
     
  5. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Is your venturi volute hole clean?
     
  6. Charlie B

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    So after watching it some more it appears that water is going into the venturi tube where the tube meets the pump and it goes in and out in time with the noise I am hearing.

    Here is a video of it I just took. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ8Crj6LoWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Around 14 seconds in you can kinda see the water popping in and out of the tube. Around 36 seconds I pinch the line and the sound goes away. Throughout it all I think you can hear the chug/whoosh sound I am trying (although probably ineptly) to explain. Let me know if you need any more info or want video of something else!
     
  7. MXC207 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have the same skimmer and it does the same thing. I've just never messed with it or thought to post about it. Interested to see if anyone knows. Yours looks like its getting a hell of a lot more bubbles than mine tho.
     
  8. danmgray Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    How long have you been running this skimmer? If you've been running it for a while, did it just start making noise, or has it been doing it for a while?

    I'm not familiar with your skimmer, but here is one thing to consider: Is it possible that there is a partial obstruction higher up in the air intake tube? Try pinching it off higher up, as far away as you can from the venturi to see if the oscillation stops or changes frequency. If it stops, you're probably good. If it continues to oscillate or speeds up, you could be drawing a partial vaccum and need to clean the tube.
     
  9. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    The pump could be running in reverse, try unplugging it and plugging it back in. Try this a few times and see if it makes a diff.
    also does it have an air valve that you can adjust? try to turn it up or down and see what that does.
    How long is your air line, the longer the line the harder it is for the pump to pull the air thought, try a short line that stops just above the lid no longer.
    These are just some things to try good luck!
     
  10. Charlie B

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    Thanks for all the suggestions, this has already proven more fruitful than my countless hours of google searches. I messed with the air tube some and the sound has lessened considerably, but it is still present. I don't really care about the sound (my wife does but that is her problem), I just want it to work properly.

    MXC207 - does your skimmer produce much skimmate? Mine has yet to but I have only had it hooked up for about 3 days.

    Danmgray - I bought it from a fellow reefer, so it is new to me but it is not a new skimmer. No matter where I pinch the tube the sound completely stops and the skimmer runs nearly silent, and the sound has been there since the first time I plugged it in. But again it isn't new so I don't know if it has always done so. The previous owner has not responded to my emails asking about it yet.

    Foo - I'll be honest and say I am not sure what the volute hole is. I did some quick looking and I think it is the port where the air enters the pump via the tube, not the port at the other end of the tube...but I have been wrong in the past. If so, do I just take the pump apart and make sure everything is clean? Is that a good idea anyways since this isn't a new protein skimmer? He said he cleaned it, but I can see how missing a small part can happen, I know it is happened to me in the past with other equipment.
     
  11. MXC207 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    It produced very well in the beginning and then got less over time. I've cleaned it a few times but it still has yet to run like it did the first couple months I had it. I purchased it new.
     
  12. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    OK so lets do a little skimmer 101..LOL.
    What the pump is designed to do is pull water into the inlet, (in some terms a venturi). as the water enters the venturi it speeds up, as it speeds up it creates a vacuum on the sides of the venturi. The small hole in the side of the venturi that the air tube is hooked to,( the volute) wants to suck air into the venturi and mix with the water at the impeller. For some reason either the pump is not flowing enough water through the venturi to create enough vacuum or the hose is to long and the vacuum is not enough to over come the length of tubing.
    What you are hearing is it taking gulps of air instead of a nice steady flow of air.
    Like I said I would try a shorter air hose! Or as Foo said check the volute as it can build up salt creep and calcium were the air hose goes on the pump.
    One other thing you can do is put a small air pump on the hose and force feed it. (just don't add to much air, you just want to have a nice steady flow.)
     
  13. Charlie B

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    That is roughly what I thought you meant, but it is nice to have it clarified. I had already resolved to take the pump apart and soak it in vinegar for a bit this weekend to see if that was a problem. Also if a hose is old and pretty pliable, could that also contribute to the issue? I am seeing the hose as easy to squeeze, so it compresses slightly instead of remaining firm and allowing enough air to pass through it. The hose itself is attached to the pump intake and then on the other end at a built in silencer. There is a little slack in the hose so it could be shortened slightly, but not a lot.
     
  14. danmgray Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I'm not sure if you have insturction manuals, but here are some links, depending on your design:
    DNWB110 gate valve design instructions:
    http://coralvue.com/wp-content/uplo...ctions.pdf
    DNWB110 wedge pipe design instructions:
    http://coralvue.com/wp-content/uplo...ctions.pdf
    Is your outlet submerged? Does your model have a "non-siphon bar"? If so, you may verify it is working.
    You could try contacting the manufacurer at 985-781-9078 or support@coralvue.com (contact info from instruction sheet)
    Good luck! Keep us posted.
     
  15. Charlie B

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    Mine is the wedge pipe version. I have run it with both the outlet submerged and not submerged and there is no change that I can see. That being said I have it unsubmerged because that is how it is recommended to be used. The top tube of the wedge is the non-siphon bar as far as I am aware. I don't know how I would check to make sure it is working properly. I do know that if I turn it to raise the water level high enough it eventually starts to suck water down the venturi hose instead of air, but I don't run it that high. Also I unhooked the tube from the non-siphon bar/silencer last night to see what that would do, and you could hear it trying to suck air into the pump with the same sound in the video but much louder.

    My first steps this weekend will be a vinegar soaking and to replace the tubing, and if that doesn't work I may call their support line to see if they have any ideas.
     
  16. Charlie B

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    I took it apart and soaked it in vinegar because it had some calcium built up inside. I also took some Q-tips and scraped out a ton of gunk from inside the pump. When I hooked it back up the sound is completely gone and it is running well so far.

    Quick question, before I did this all I had a major overflow from the skimmer on Friday. The venturi tube was sucking in water to the pump instead of air. I assume this is because a vacuum of some sort was created; is this likely because the air input was clogged up? Or is there something else I should check? I can't take another mistake with this tank or the wife will end me...
     
  17. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    To answer your question, the water level will rise in the skimmer if it is not getting any air! Just close off the air line and you will see what I mean.
    Glad you figured out what was going on with the pump!
     
  18. danmgray Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    +1
     
  19. Charlie B

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    Okay, hopefully cleaning it out will prevent more overflows. Thanks for all the help!
     

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