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retrofitting aqualight pro fixture with leds???

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by violet21chewy, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have an aqualight pro fixture containg metal halide de bulbs and power compacts.  I would like to replace the pc's with LED's.  Has anyone tried this? Researching LED's is a bit overwhelming. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. The bulbs are 96 watts each so I would like to get comparable or more light output.
    thanks! Su
     
  2. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    What size is the fixture?
    96 watts would be roughly equivalent to a 36 LED fixture. However, most people don't run LED's at full power all the time, so assuming you are going to be dimming and/or not running the whites all the time, I'd say you're looking at 48 LED's for a rough equivalent (this is just a guess).
    Slovan recently did something similar and retrofitted 2 AI Sol Units (24 LED each) into a fixture. He might be able to give some insight into what he did.
    Here is his thread: http://www.greateriowareefsociety.org/Community/DiscussionForums/tabid/78/aft/23057/Default.aspx
    -JB
     
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  3. adampottebaum

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    JB, I think Su's talking about only replacing the PC's with LEDs and keeping the halides. I replaced my actinic VHO bulbs for my 6' tank with 14 royal blue LEDs, I think it was plenty for supplementing my halides. I would recommend Meanwell drivers, each one of them handles a max of 14 LEDs in series, so I'd either go with 14 on one driver or 28 on two drivers, it all completely depends on size of your tank and how much supplementing you'd like to do.
     
  4. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    So how about 2 35-700 mean well drivers to run 24 LEDS. I picked this over the 60-48D driver because I don't plan on using a controller and making it dimmable. 14 LEDS on each side of the halides spaced to cover across 48". The LED's will be XP-E 316 BIN. The light fixture is over a standard 120 gallon, with the fixture hanging 3" above the water.

    Questions...

    Should I go with a 60 or 80 degree optics?

    Considering that the heat sinks don't come in a long strip and I would like to attach the LED's into my current fixture, will the aluminum reflector be sufficient enough to attach the LED's to? There is a fan in the hood so will that be enough to dissipate the heat? what if I put thermal tape on the other side of where the LED's will attach to the aluminum?

    In the post above, you mention 14 LED's. The website says 3-12 LED's. Can this driver do 14?
     
  5. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    if its just for supplemental lighting why go with any optics? let the light spread more to cover your tank. with only 3" above the water and the LEDs spaced out I think the optics might give you some spotlighting effects. I could be wrong though, I have just recently started learning/researching LEDs.
     
  6. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Yeah, definitely 80 degree or no optics if it just for looks.

    I think if you put 14 XP-E's on one of those drivers, you would be pushing it to it's absolute limit. This is the reason I decided to go with 12 over 14.

    I have no idea if the aluminum in the fixture would be enough of a heat sink, but it might work since you're going with the 35-700 drivers. The lower current should help with the heat a bit.

    -JB
     
  7. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Thansk so much for all your input. I'll try it with the 12 LED's and keep my fingers crossed!
     
  8. adampottebaum

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    Yea I would think 12 LEDs over a 4' tank would be plenty for supplementing. I have 14 over my 6' tank and it's pretty darn blue.

    I would still get a heatsink to attach the LEDs to, you'll see a lot more life out of them if you do. There's plenty of thin heatsinks out there, here's a link to RapidLED's heatsink page:
    http://www.rapidled.com/servlet/the-Heat-Sinks/Categories

    Good luck and take plenty of pictures!
     
  9. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I was going to do 24 total LED's. One strip was going to go on each side of the mh bulb. Is that overkill? The MH bulbs that I will be putting on are 12k's. if i do do 24 LED's I should alternate blue and white?

    Again, thanks for all the info. It's difficult to picture what it will look like since I have not done this before.

    Thanks for the link to RapidLED. I am looking at the thin heat sinks and will measure the fixture to see if i can get one in there. My husband thinks maybe he can make one out of aluminum if iIneed a thinner one.
     
  10. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    One more question..

    What is the difference between XRE LED's and XRP leds?
     
  11. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Do you mean XR-E vs XP-E?

    I believe the XP-E are newer which probably means they are more efficient and have a higher light output per watt.
     
  12. adampottebaum

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    From what I've read, hey're pretty much the same amount of light, but the XP-E's have a wider angle spread(without optic) and the XR-E's have a narrower angle(without optic). XP-E's have a bigger diode than the XR-E's, but when they're on the starboards, they're the same size. The optics for the XR-E's are friction fit, the XP-E's need glued on. I don't really understand the bin system to categorize them, but what I understand, the higher the bin number, the brighter the light? If I am remembering correctly, XR-E's have a 110 degree light spread without any optics, not sure about XP-E's.

    JB, any reason you chose XP-E's in your build instead of XR-E's?
     
  13. violet21chewy Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    any thoughts on the 24 total LED's? too much blue? Should I do half blue and half whte on each strip?
     
  14. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    I think its more of a personal preference on what color you are looking for. I don't think you would have problems with all blue seeing as you have the halides in there as well.
     

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