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Refugium set-up

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by beckerj3, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    I'd like to set-up a small refugium area in my sump for growing chaeto - but I need help.  My sump is a 20 gal long tank, but it does not have any baffles.  Need help in figuring out the mods that should be done to accomodate this.  Also, anyone in Des Moines area that might have a similar set-up that I could come see??
    Thanks for your help! - Jeanette
     
  2. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Hey Jeanete,

    Do you have room to put a 10 gallon a little higher up that can drain into your sump?
     
  3. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I just jammed some cheato in my sump. Put a small clamp light over it (menards, $6.00)

    For a baffle I cut egg crate baffle to fit in my sump and squeezed the cheato between the egg crate and and exisiting acrylic baffle.

    I was thinking someday I would make my own bacrylic affle to replace the egg crate, but the egg crate is so porus that it might be a bad idea and I will probably just keep my 'mod' as is.

     
  4. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    No - no room for an additional 10 gal tank.  I barely have room for a 5 gallon bucket for ATO.
    Potroast - not real sure on what you mean.  One of my concerns is that the chaeto is contained in an area - and doesn't float around the entire sump.
     
  5. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    You can cut two pieces of egg crate to make two dividing walls in your sump. Put the cheato betwen the egg crate walls. That will stop the cheato from floating all over the place. The eggcrate walls also allow water to flow right through them, and through the cheato.

     
  6. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    I would think that the chaeto would still be able to float thru the egg crate - i.e. small pieces that could then be sucked into the return pump and cause problems ???? 
     
  7. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    no
     
  8. bobsfish

    bobsfish Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I used eggcrate in my sump to "control" the chaeto....it works for a short time, but eventually it goes everywhere !
     
  9. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    So how does one keep it from going everywhere????
     
  10. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Mine doesn't go everywhere. It stays between the egg crate walls and baffle and grows like mad. Going on two years. I can only speak for my experience.
     
  11. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    So help me out on the flow.  Water drains into the sump from the display tank.  Is your egg crate baffle surrounding where the water enters the sump - and then your chaeto in sort of a next compartment? - so that the chaeto is between that egg crate and an acrylic baffle???  Does the acrylic baffle let water flow over it? or under it?
     
  12. IowaDiver Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Go to Lowes, have them cut you two pieces of glass. Silicon each piece to the sides and bottom of your sump. The top of the glass will determine your water level in the sump. That's just a simple one. You can add more baffles to reduce microbubles and other stuff, but since you only have a 20 gallon probably no room. So you can actually fit a refugium in your sump and still have room for skimmer and a return pump?
    Also, you could cut grates into the top to help keep the chaeto in place. Not sure if Lowes will do that or you culd do it with a glass cutting dremel bit.
     
  13. Troy

    Troy Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I think the egg crate will work for what you want it to do. Sooner or later it will get throw, but with normal maintenance and monitoring regularly you will have no problems. You really only need on piece that will divide your cheato from the return pump. 
     
  14. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    In your case for the short term put your pump at one end of the sump, the eggcrate wall in the middle of the sump, and the cheato on the opposite side of the sump.

    Once you get that going, some of your desing questions should become clear. You can then decide if you want to make your own baffles or not.

     
  15. Guest

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    here is a very cheap way to solve your problem:
    20 gallon sump that you already have~
    then:
    place a 10 gallon tank with in the 20 gallon sump close to the middle of the 20 gallon sump (for over flow), use this smaller tank as a divider (which it is), place all of your substrate/LR in the 10 gallon- including your algae, then on one end of the 20 gallon place your skimmer and on the other end your return pump, point your skimmer/reactor's water return towards your return pump- this works really well, and is very "adjustable".
    I use this same set up- 37 gallon sump, with a 15 gallon set inside the 37 gallon (the return water from your main display should flow into the smaller tank, where it then will over flow the smaller tank and feed the bigger tank- remember; water will over flow on all sides of the smaller tank on a level surface), then my skimmer & reactors on one side, and return pump on the other side- just as described as above.
    I use this same set up on a 165 gallon well stocked reef- it allows a lot of flexability. I also have a single 3 foot strip light over the entire sump and algae grows like wild fire- I have had very good results with this set up. BTW, this set up cost less then 80 bucks and blows fixed sumps away, simply because it allows for adjustments and additional equipment down the line.
    Contained with in my sump: CL 220G dual pump skimmer, two phosban 150 reactors, and a 1400 gph return pump, as well, two 300 watt heaters, and my chillers/reef keepers thermo probs, and the ATO.
    Try it, you will love it.
     
  16. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Interesting idea/concept.  My sump though is the 20 gallon long - so it is only 12" high - same as the 10 gallon tank - so I'm not sure I'd want the water overflowing that tank into the sump - seems like a disaster waiting to happen??
     
  17. Guest

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    that wouldnt be possible if you are already using a 20 gallon sump that fits your needs correctly, you would need to flow over 20 gallons of total volume before it would over flow the 20 gallon sump- it's the same as the sump that you are using, you have simply added a divider section which adds about 1 gallon of volume. what you could also do is use two 5 gallon tanks with a tee from your over flow to feed each of them- 5 gallon tanks are about 8 bucks, so 16 dollars, then a tee fitting- 2 bucks and a few hoses- say 4 bucks, add it up- CHEAP and very effective- 22 bucks and you have a pretty good set up. Trust me it will work, and work really well.
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  18. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Might give that a try - with a smaller tank.  The reason I wouldn't want to try it with a 10 gallon (with the same height as the sump) is that if for some reason the 10 gallon touched the side of the 20 gallon sump, then the water overflowing from the 10 gallon would end up also flowing over the side of the 20 gallon sump, even though the sump was not full.  So, I think I'll either try a 5 gallon tank, or the egg crate.
    Thanks
     
  19. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

    West Des Moines, IA
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    So, I'm going the egg crate route.  I'm getting chaeto tomorrow from Joe.  Which configuration would be better - 1) chaeto in the 1st section where the water dumps in from the display tank (egg-crate divider to separate from 2nd section); then skimmer in the middle (2nd section) with Phosphate and carbon reactors (Two little fishes), and finally the return pump at the end; or 2) skimmer in 1st section with phosphate and carbon reactors AND where water dumps in from the display tank; then 2nd section with chaeto (egg crate dividers on both sides); and lastly the return pump at the end.
    Also - other than ease of set-up - what would make one configuration better than the other from an overall filtration set-up?
    Thanks!
     
  20. Tony L.

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    Calfo suggested that you place the skimmer in the 1st chamber where you water drains from the display during his presentation at Fall Fest. The water is dirtiest in this chamber and is the best place for you skimmer to work its most efficient.
     

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