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LED fixture with 100W pods

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bud, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Check this out
    http://algaescrubber.net/forums/showthread.php?2115-diy-multichip-led-lights
    I'm thinking I might make one of these for my tank, and if it works out, I might build one for a few of my customers' tanks
    You can also get the chips in multi-spectrum, and 50, 30, 20, and 10W chips.
     
  2. erayk1 Well-Known ReefKeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Interesting...
     
  3. jbmartelle

    jbmartelle Inactive User

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    Bud,In the past I tried using cool white 50w leds on some pretty big heatsinks and fans.  Also had multiple 10w blue bulbs.  They burnt out in three months and degraded quickly.  The 50w bulbs create soooo much heat...especially when left on all day.
    After further research, I came to a conclusion that liquid cooling or heat sinks not readily available to the general public were the only way to construct a fixture that would last.  Now...multiple 10 to 20w leds seem more of a reality and would be interested if someone constructed a fixture using these new multi color chip models.
    Also, it seemed you really got hot spots on the coral with an led as large as a 50w.  Can't imagine a 100w.  My corals started bleaching almost immediately.  Really lends toward the absolute need for dimming capability, which I didn't have.  Dimming and the 15-20k bulbs make me interested to try multiple 10 and 20w options with lenses.
     
  4. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    That's a very good point. I would think it would be much easier to cool multiple 20 or 30W LEDs. The question is, is it worth it to get multiple large pods instead of just doing your 'standard' individual chip array like everyone does.

    Blue Moon Aquatics has the P50 and P100 that use chips similar to these I'm guessing, and I don't recall that they had active cooling, but I do remember they had huge heat sinks, and those are probably the ones that aren't commercially available. Hard to believe that you wouldn't be able to find one like theirs in this day and age though.
     
  5. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Got a link for the 30W and 50W LEDs? I need new lights on my tank bad and if these will make it easier / cheaper then I am game to try anything right now.
     
  6. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    There are links on the page under my first post link but here's a few.

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-40mil-50W-Super-Actinic-Blue-Hybrid-Led-Panel-Aquarium-/271005904826?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1935efba#ht_2245wt_1025

    http://stores.ebay.ie/led-hk?_trksid=p4340.l2563

    http://stores.ebay.ie/led-world2007/High-Power-LED-Lens-Driver-/_i.html?_fsub=13495532&_sid=159960625&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

    http://stores.ebay.ie/joydeal/category3175114011-/_i.html?_fsub=3175114011&_sid=1085987401&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

    http://stores.ebay.com/PARTSPIPE?_trksid=p4340.l2563

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Set-New-10W-50W-100W-red-blue-white-LED-Lens-Reflector-Collimator-50mm-Base-/300718083438?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460431cd6e

    http://stores.ebay.ie/angel-edeal?_trksid=p4340.l2563

    That'll keep you busy...
     
  7. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    I have built several 10w led units and have had great success. The biggest issue that I've had is getting the royal blues that are royal blue. the color spectrum hard to come by. The one that I'm currently using has 8 cool 20000k 10w, 8 royal blue 10w, and 16 blue 10w. I need to change out 4 blue with 4 more cool whites, and adding some cree royal blues 3w to get the true royal blue pop.
    Every thing is dimmable and have had no burn outs.
    If you guys are thinking of 100w leds this is a must. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106142 . These would make great 100w canons.
    Bud I think all LEDs are dimmable, you just have to meet the LEDs voltages and amps.
     
  8. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    hmmm trying to figure out how I'd build a layout for what color where and how many I'd need on my 135 but then again once I am stable with bills I am getting that 210 so I'd need to be able to light it shortly if I build this prior to getting it. guessing 4 whites and 4 royal blue each 10W per section of the tank, i have 3, would be enough or do I need more than that?
     
  9. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I think I am going back to the 3W Crees. For $300 I can get all the LEDs, optics, and drivers. Just need to get a heat sink. For 32 high powered LEDs before heat sinks and drivers I was over $400.
     
  10. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Go to Steve's LEDs for them. I just checked his site out and he is now carrying Philips Luxeon LEDs which are better than Crees and less expensive
     
  11. B-Rad

    B-Rad Inactive User

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    I may be wrong, but I think you will be needing more then 32 3w leds!

    I'm using 32 10W leds for my 120g and its just enough.
     
  12. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    When I was planning out my LED array (which i never made) I was told that for a 120 gallon (2' x 4' and 2' tall) that I would want 72x 3W LEDs for a tank that was soft corals, zoas, etc. Then 96 LEDs if I wanted to have SPS corals, and if I wanted to have a LOT of SPS corals, I might go as high as 108.
    Assuming a 20-24" depth, surface area is the key. Mine is 24 x 48 = 1152. Divide by 16 (one LED per 4x4 area) and that's 72 LED. Divide by 12 (3x4) and that's 96. Divide by 10 and that's 115. So take the surface area and divide by 16 for softies, 12 for mixed w/SPS, 10 for high SPS.
    Hope that helps. I can't claim to be the expert but that's what I've been told.
    As far as mixture of white/blue/other, that's a whole other discussion...
    So +1 on what B-Rad said, you need at a minimum 2x that many LEDs
    Anyone else can feel free to jump all over me and correct me. This is just what Matt N / ninja told me when we were going in on the LED group buy through TheFishMan65/RC via Cutter.
     
  13. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    It appears I am waaaaaaaaaaaaay behind on this idea

    http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2128756
     
  14. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Yeah you will need a lot more then 32 I have 72 over my 75gal SPS tank 24 xpg and 48 xpe. But if you use XML led instead of xpg you wouldn't need as many.
    over the 340gal tank I plan on buying soon which is 76"x37"x29" I will be running 48 XML cool whites and 144 xte royal blues. I plan on installing them on 2 6' makers led kits with 24XML and 72xte on each kit
     
  15. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Forget about Cree. Check out Philips Luxeon at Steve's LEDs:

    http://shop.stevesleds.com/LUXEON-ES-3-Watt-LEDs_c27.htm

    Better and cheaper.
     
  16. ninjazx777 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    How do you know that there better? can you post some links on the info?
     
  17. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    I exchanged a few e-mails with Steve from Steve's LEDs, you can just go through the contact us link on his site and he will get back with you. Probably best to get it from the horse's mouth.

    Steve's is a distributor, most others are middlemen, so he can select the best bins and sell them for a better price. Philips LEDs generally use less Vf for the same output meaning they are more efficient = less power for same light. From what I've read, Cree is just really good at marketing, not saying they're bad my any means, they are definitely up there with the best of the best, but that doesn't mean someone else isn't better.

    But hey that's me, I cheer for the little guy and go against the grain...
     
  18. Armydog

    Armydog Expert Reefkeeper

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    Stevesleds is the way to go great guy........... I have 21 leds over my biocube so you def need more for a 135 gallon
     
  19. ThyRaven

    ThyRaven Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    When I said 32 LEDs I was talking 10 and 20 watt LEDs not the 3W. If I went 3W I'd have 108 if not 162.
     
  20. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Bwahaha! I have one of these on the way to me!

    http://www.sandiegoreefs.com/forums/showthread.php?94760-DIY-Multichip-LED-Build

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    Now all I need is 1) driver 2) time
     

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