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Ich issues

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jstngates, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Saturday I was looking at my tank and noticed 2 out of my 4 tangs had some ich on them.  I started soaking their food with minced garlic but it wasnt helping.  The fish have been in my tank for 3 months and were qt before I put them in.  Last week I switched my lighting from mh to led and last weekend even went to ro water for the first time my tank has been set up for 3 and half years.  Today I bought some ich attack that is reef safe and havent seen any improvement.  Im not a fan of freshwater dipping a tang I think it makes things worse.  Is the ich attack the way to go?  Or is it a hopeless fight?
     
  2. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    hospital tank is pretty much your best recourse. Honestly anything that is going to combat things like Ich and work is probably not going to be reef safe.
     
  3. Tholton33

    Tholton33 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    ich can lay dormant in your tank.

    adding meds to a DT is not usually recommended. I would hospitalize/qt your fish and treat them.
     
  4. gearhead

    gearhead Inactive User

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    I tried ick attack it works slow but it seemed to work also I soak the food in it ,but it doesn't kill the ick from what I understand it helps boost the immune system to resist it
     
  5. bearsareawsome Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have had my best luck with a UV sterilizer. couple of my fish had it and put that in and now seems to be good to go.
     
  6. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I have one but thought they were bad for reef tanks
     
  7. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Long and the short of it is that if you want to get rid of ich, you have to QT your fish for six weeks and let your tank run for that entire time with no fish. The ich will die without fish.f

    While you have your fish in QT treat them with a copper treatment. DON'T TREAT YOUR CORAL WITH COPPER TREATMENT.

    Reef safe ich medication does not work. That is a scam. Garlic boosts the immune system, but does not treat ich.


    OK all that being said....there is something to be said for just living with ich. For example I had a powder blue tang that died of ich recently. My powder brown had it, so did a couple other fish. I considered QT the fish and let the DT lay fallow, but in time most of the fish stopped showing any signs of ich, except for the powder brown, which continued to show the ich in various stages of life.

    So instead of QT all my fish I just caught the powder brown and treated him. He is now fine and showing no signs. I can live with knowing the ich is still in my tank. If it comes back in force, which it easily could, I will treat more aggressively, but for now I am just going to lay low and see what happens.
     
  8. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    250 lbs of live rock and only way would be to take all corals and live rock out. Do I have to?
     
  9. nick

    nick Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I've had luck with ich x does seem to work slower but does work. A uv sterlizer will help. Most important thing to remember is what ever passes through it dies. No medicine is can be used while running uv.
     
  10. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
     
  11. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Lost one and the other is about gone. Both are out of tank. Its wierd none of my other fish are infected as I can tell.
     
  12. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Is this from the new lights and switching to ro water? They were 3 months old and only ones to get it so far.
     
  13. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    Hey

    Some pretty good advice mentioned above.

    More then likely, your fish have had ich for a very long time. If they were happy and healthy, their natural immune system has probably kept in check for the most part. Stress can temporarily weaken your fish giving ich the chance to get the upper hand. Something simple as changing your lights could have stressed them out.

    Tangs, Angels, and Puffers are the 3 types of fish that is most succeptible to ich outbreaks. Other fish may have it or carry it, but for some reason their bodies fight it off much better.

    Regular feeding quality food soaked in a garlic mixture helps boost their immune system keeping the ich in check. A UV sterilzer will help kill ich in the water column, but if you dont have in plumbed correctly, you might as well not have one. The water has to be prefiltered and the bulb needs to be changed regularly.

    The only way to 100% erradicate it from your tank is to let the tank have absolutly no fish in it for 6 weeks. Inverts are fine, just no fish. Then, the fish in your tank need to be treated for ich, even if they appear completely healthy in case they are a carrier.

    Remember, anything you put in your tank can carry ich including live rock, coral, snails, live sand, and so forth.

    Good luck
     
  14. jstngates Experienced Reefkeeper

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    Ok let me ask you guys this. Is it possible to burn fish by having my leds too high too fast? Its just weird my to newest tangs got it and not my purple or sailfin. I also regularly feed them garlic and these fish ate til the day they died unlike most sick fish.
     
  15. Reeferforlyfe

    Reeferforlyfe Inactive User

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    Hyposalinity is much safer than copper based treatments, IMO. Especially if you don't have time to test copper levels everyday to keep it at 2ppm, or w/e it's supposed to be at.
    With hypo, slowly take your water from its regular salinity down to 1.008 - 1.011 for 6-8 weeks, and slowly raise it back up to 1.024-26 over the course of a week. I had to do this to my fish when they had an ich outbreak, or I should say, just my blue hippo did. The dt tank laid fish less for that period to kill off the cycle..Haven't seen it back since 
     
  16. Reeferforlyfe

    Reeferforlyfe Inactive User

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    Uv sterilizer is worthless when it comes to ich, because not all of the water is treated by the uv, therefor not all of the ich comes in contact with the light.
    If it gives you a piece of mind, thn so be it. But it's definitely not a solution
     
  17. Tholton33

    Tholton33 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    the same thing could then be said about reactors, carbon, gfo, calcium etc. are those B.S. too?
    obviously the water isnt going to be 100%$ treated at any given time. But it will eventually have "diluted" if not treated, the entire volume of water in your system based on your turn over rates etc etc. 
    QT your fish with Hypo salinity and leave your tank fish free for 6+ weeks. 
     
  18. Tholton33

    Tholton33 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    and yes, and no im sure you fish are stressed from the massive increase of light. it would be wise to start off lower then you think it needs and slowly upping the intensity 5-10% every week, or lowering the unit an inch every week until you reach desired spot.  
    any sudden change to your system can make problems. 
    remember, only bad things happen fast in this hobby
     
  19. Reeferforlyfe

    Reeferforlyfe Inactive User

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    No because those actually work.... Lol
     
  20. Tholton33

    Tholton33 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    lol
     

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