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****Copper Band Angle 911****

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tman62, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. Tman62

    Tman62

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    I have a Copper Band Angle that is acting really bad. i think it is about dead. my wife said that it was swimming upside down this afternoon, i am attaching a photo of the fish, it has some marks on its side. Anybody know what it could be, or if that is why it is not doing so well.
    I have checked the water (everything looks good) i have had the fish for about 2 weeks.
    I added it and a small yellow tang and a coral beauty at the same time. the other fish seem to be doing fine. i did see the coral beauty picking on the angle a few times
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  2. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    is there a lot of flow in your tank ? maybe from the rocks ? not sure bud but i hope he heals because he looks asome.
     
  3. Jamie

    Jamie Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Could be the other 2 fish chasing or causing stress the yellow tang can be semi aggressive especially since the shape and color is similar to the copperband. FYI That is a copperband butterfly not an angle, is it eating for you? They are very finicky eaters and typically won't eat anything but live foods at first sometimes if your lucky they will eat frozen mysis or brine shrimp. The average survival rate is around 20% in captivity and is a difficlut fisf to get to feed at first.

     
  4. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    They almost never survive in captivity, they will sometime eat mysis and blanched dandelion greens. They aren't angels they are butterfly fish, they were classified as angels until about 1985 . The phylogenic criteria that separates butterflies from angels is the lack of preopercle spines. Angels have preopercle spines which allow for a larger more trunkated buccole cavity and highly developed premaxilla well adapted for a variety of foods. Another great example of how phylogeny begets functinality. Good luck, ask your retailer not to import these fish any more.
     
  5. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Andy. Come on. How many scientific terms does one have to look up to understand that? The phylogenic criteria that separates my truncated cup of bowl premaximumally cavity from my lack of preocpercle give me shivers up my spine. I give. You are way smarter than me. LOL
     
  6. bearsareawsome Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    LOL bud. I think the same thing when andy postes on here. But he sure does know his stuff.
     
  7. Jamie

    Jamie Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Ditto here[​IMG]
     
  8. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    haha you guys! i guess i just think about these things in just those types f terms. an understudy in vertebrate zoology would benefit everyone i think. i seriously dont even think about my audience sometimes, i hope at least that you guys do learn some things if not only words. how to you describe that type of morphology in any other terms? 
    not smarter bud, just different background. i breath eat and sleep reef aquaria/biology
     
  9. erayk1 Well-Known ReefKeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    **On a side note for future fish purchases, I know that netting these fish can be very hard on them... I don't buy any saltwater fish that I see someone using a net on, it's a good practice to follow I think.
     
  10. Tman62

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    update: well, Mr. Copper band did not make it through the night. I will chalk this one up to "not doing my research on fish to purchase”. looking back I really did not see him eating at feeding time. I don't think it was the other fish. I really wish that my LFS would have warmed me that it may only eat live food. And 20% survival rate, NOT good for someone just starting out.
    oh well lesson learned, thanks everyone.
     
  11. Tman62

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    Sorry DBL post
     
  12. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Bummer man. Don't these guys pretty much eat nothing but aptasia?
     
  13. bobsfish

    bobsfish Experienced Reefkeeper

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    It's unfortunate that LFSs sell these fish. I don't think the majority of reefers can keep them alive. The only one I've ever seen live a long time in captivity is down at Sea of Marvel - it's in a tank that's roughly 300+ gallons with a ton of rock sprinkled with aptasia. I'm sure there are others who have been successful, but this fish should clearly be classified as 'Expert' only.
     
  14. Armydog

    Armydog Expert Reefkeeper

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    I had one bud for 3 years ate anything I put in the tank
     

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