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Any tips for setting up a 120 gallon reef in a non-reef ready tank?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by nickbuol, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    So I am talking to one of my guys at work today and find out that he wants to make the jump to saltwater. He has a lot of freshwater tanks at his house and picked up a 120 gallon tank that he wants to use to set up a reef.





    So my first question is if it is drilled (reef ready) and he says "no".





    So I am looking for tips from anyone that had/has a non-reef ready tank. I am not looking for general advice on the cycle process, lighting, reactors, etc. I will talk him into a a FOWLR to start with plans for corals later, but as far as the physical tank itself, any tips? Personally the non drilled overflows scare the crap out of me.


    Thanks.
     
  2. gearhead

    gearhead Inactive User

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    Im running a 125 non rr its the same u just need a overflow look at ehopps
     
  3. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    Those overflows scare me. It seems like they are finicky if not done right. Do you have a pump hooked up to yours to make sure that it maintains the siphon?
     
  4. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    Siphon overflows can be fairly reliable, especially the CPR ones that have the Aqualifter pumps that purge the U pipe of any air bubbles that develop. Heck even the conventional ones work fine, I ran one for 3+ years without incident. The other nice thing about the CPR siphon overflow is that it is very thin and doesn't take up a big foot print in the back wall.


    Otherwise, I'd say drill that sucker and do a Calfo Coast to Coast overflow! I've even considered do a coast to coast with a simple "C channel" cut PVC painted black.
     
  5. Armydog

    Armydog Expert Reefkeeper

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    Tom aquatics has a great overflow. They never lose siphen and start automatically back up after a power outage or water change. I have one on my 29 biocube
     
  6. bobsfish

    bobsfish Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I run an Eshopps overflow on my 60. It's been running reliably for about 4 years. Never any issues with losing siphon. The thing I do like about overflows is that they don't take up much tank space as RR. I am setting up a 90 RR and I'm surprised at how much space the RR plumbing takes.
     
  7. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    Cool. Thanks for the info guys. This person was going to go HOB skimmer, and a large canister filter. I am trying to talk him into a sump for obvious reasons.
     
  8. bobsfish

    bobsfish Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I did the HOB skimmer and canister for awhile....I suffered that configuration for about a year. But, I converted to a sump and in-sump skimmer. There are just too many advantages of a sump.

    If he doesn't want an overflow, he can always drill the back of his tank with a drain and return. Risky cutting glass, but it's done all the time.
     
  9. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    What about power outages and the overflows? Siphon would be lost for sure...
     
  10. Big John

    Big John Inactive User

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    Drill it!!
     
  11. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    I am just trying to give him options. The cost is about the same to go with an overflow and pump to ensure some siphon as it would be to have it drilled and put in an internal overflow box. I am giving him all of the warnings about over-the-side overflows vs. drilling.
     
  12. mikesams05p71

    mikesams05p71 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I agree with others on the overflows. I run an esphopps 800 with a Mag 7 return. Haven't had a single issue. And when the power goes out the box stays full of water and there's not much of a way that it could lose siphon that way. I've tested mine by using my turkey baster and blowing bubbles at the bottom of the siphon tube and it never lost it.
     
  13. Reefman

    Reefman Inactive User

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    I ran a canister filter when I got my fist tank, if not properly maintained can be a nitrate trap...
     
  14. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    I had a canister on my 75 gallon YEARS ago, but I was cleaning that bugger all of the time, but never had problems. Then again, now I am cleaning filter socks a lot too for my current 120. LOL
     
  15. Andy The Reef Guy

    Andy The Reef Guy Inactive User

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    No, when the power goes out a siphon overflow is not broken. It does not rely on water movement to keep it working. Think of a glass full of water with a piece of paper underneath it, you pick it up, the paper stays, no leaks.


    FWIW, canister filters are an abomitable source of filtration on a reef tank, or any marine tank. I've ran one personally and they're a disaster. They fill with amphipods, copepods and other small creatures that get lodged in the filter media and die, effectively becoming a nitrate factory.






     
  16. stew Well-Known ReefKeeper GIRS Member

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    Tagging along on this one because I'm also setting up a 120. I was going to drill it but when I did the polarized light trick I started seeing rainbow like colors so I'm afraid the whole thing is tempered glass.
     
  17. I have 2 large overflow boxes that are rated at 180 gal each i would part with and could bring to springfest
     
  18. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    I sent the guy a huge email about overflows, drilling, sump setup, RO/DI, etc. I think that he is still taking it all in because he hasn't responded back with anything.

    I just fear that he thinks that he can do a saltwater tank with same technology as his many freshwater tanks but with live rock/sand, so I wanted to make sure that he knew some of the key design/setup needs now before he buys anything, and then will try to help him along should he decide that he still wants to get into salt.
     
  19. Foo

    Foo Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    http://www.lifereef.com/siphon.html
     
  20. nickbuol Here fishy, fishy, fishy...

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    Nice.... Expensive, but nice....






     

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