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Alliant Energy is at it again...this time 13%!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AJ, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    Alliant is proposing another increase - this time 13%.  This comes after their 7% and 18% increases over the last two years.  I wish my pay increases were commensurate with their increases...but 38% over 3 years...ridiculous!
     
  2. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    thats crazy,,,,seems like some kind of fed dept,,,,maybe ftc should be doing some kind of investigation here.
     
  3. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Man they are insane!!!!! My bill hit $375 last month and I am poor so that was quite a hit. I'm going to have to take some tax money and see about led's to save on energy cost.
     
  4. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    i hear u these guys p#@$ me off .. dude mine was over 400. man i almost ready to quit this hobby.... if soill have alot of nice stuff for sale....
     
  5. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    I took my 75 gal frag system down last month because of this. I hooked a 40 breeder to my display for a frag tank. And hooked up a manafold system off of a mag 18 to run all my stuff. It figgured up to over 500w that were running 24/7 savings. So hopefully it will help some. I realy think I might switch to leds real soon as that would cut the cost off running my system way down.
     
  6. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    yea was thinking same thing but dont know how much that would help ? i run 2 160watt vhos and 3 400 watt mh. (icecap ) everything.. just dont know how much i will save ? if i go led ?
     
  7. AJ

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    Hate to bust the bubble guys, LEDs save electricity, but I think the savings to recoup the investment would take multiple years. Not to say that there's not savings there, but I suspect that you would save as much as quickly in terms of bulb replacement as you would on electricity usage.

    --AJ
     
  8. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    man that stinks !!!! ill real have to think about it hard... i have alot of stuff..... and corals and chalices.... man i better sleep on it, lol.
     
  9. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper

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    Well when you add it up with the watts saved for lighting, no chiller, central air running less due to less heat in the room from the lights. I think it would shave quite a bit off my bill. Pluss I could sell my current lighting which is fairly new to get around half of the cost back. The only thing holding me back is that I haven't seen a good sps tank grown under them in person.
     
  10. Big D Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    very true . they say there as bright as 400 but havent seen it in person.. heck i just might go fish only who knows then i could get away with pc lighting.. but thats to easy ill wait and see...lol
     
  11. nuccatree

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    Problem I have heard about LED lighting is corals do not grow very well under the limited spectrum of light that they produce. I do not have a source on this, but something to investigate. I have switched to T5's and have notices great light , less heat and much less wattage. Plus you dont have to swap out the blubs as frequently.
     
  12. AJ

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    Hey Bill,
    I don't know how big your tank is, but at $600 a module, even a 4 foot tank would be $1200 to install. A 6 foot tank, minimum $1800 (list price...retail is a bit less, but you still need to add in the controller). So sell your chiller, existing lights, and less heat in the room, and you're still going to see a long term payback. Don't fool yourself into thinking that they will pay for themselves in the short term unless your only trying to convince your wife. ;-) Be realistic...crunch the numbers. And remember, people that say that they paid for themselves quickly may live in Texas or California where they pay really high rates for electricity.

    As for seeing the long term growth, I'm with you guys...I know they make your corals look awesome (i.e. Cherry Corals and Reefkoi at Spring Fest) but I've heard that some vendors grow their corals under MH, then sell them under LEDs. I'm with you guys...I want to see long term growth in comparison to MH.

    Nuccatree,
    As for light spectrum, look at the stats sheets on the AI site. They should provide you with the light spectrum breakdown.

    --AJ
     
  13. Mary

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    ok have to chime in here..... i did a cost/benefit analysis for LED's vs Metal Halides... Payback was 2 years on investment in terms of savings on wattage use... That did not include bulb replacement. just savings on electrical use. That was one of the reasons i went to LED's when setting up the big tank.

    Back to regular programming.... i do believe we as consumers do have the opportunity to comment on he proposed increase. Also according to the news last night the Utility commission is going to "ask" them to reduce overall rates by 2 million.... Somehow i don't think they will get their increase....
     
  14. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Mary,

    Can you post some of the details of your analysis? I was estimating the payback to be about 3 years when you included bulb costs but that's for replacing 3 250W metal halide bulbs with 3 LED modules (~$1600)

    -JB
     
  15. AJ

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    Thanks for chiming in Mary!  Which LEDs did you price out?  I was comparing to the AI units as they seem to be as good or better than anyone else, have the best controller support (i.e. Apex integration).  I'm running 1100 watts of lights when at full power...and unless my tank lighting is 25% of my electricity bill (which I've no analyzed, but I doubt), my payback would be over 4 years if I put 3 LED modules in my tank...and that's assuming that I cut my electricity by half.  I know some of the other LED modules are less expensive and there are certainly DIY kits out there too, but I would prefer just to go with a vendor for the vendor support and all.
    I would be interested to hook up my Kill-a-watt up to one of the AI modules and see what the actual power draw is at various power levels.  Then do the same thing with my lights to get an accurate representation of the difference to better calculate savings.
    Then factor in annual bulb replacement which for me is between $180 and $210 depending on the brand of halide bulbs.
    Added heat to the house is a bit fuzzy and I don't think can be accurately calculated.
    Chiller use would depend on the individual.  I don't use a chiller.
    Anyway, maybe when I get a few minutes (after some of the Fall Fest planning), I can put together a spreadsheet to help calculate LED payback times.
    And speaking of LEDs on your system, tell us more about your configuration.  What you have in your tank, what kind of growth you've seen, etc.
    And let's hope you're right about the increase...I know I would prefer to keep that $400 in my pocket every year than give to it Alliant...
    --AJ
     
  16. iaJim

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    It's not just the power the bulbs take but also the power drawn by the ballasts.

    One intangible is that my aquarium room is now quiet. No buzzing ballasts and high pitched fans.
     
  17. AJ

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    Right Jim.  By measuring with the Kill-a-watt, that should report back the full consumption from both the ballast and the bulb.
    And excellent point on the "Quiet Room" factor.  My tank is in our family room where we watch TV.  I'm sure my wife would appreciate the noise reduction.  My ballasts don't buzz that I've noticed, but you can hear the fans when they kick on.
    --AJ
     
  18. slovan

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    Ok, I would like to add some numbers to the discussion. I have 2 AI SOL Blue modules and here are the numbers that I saw using a kill-a-watt meter.  I tested it at full power and what I would likely use once I have my tank set up.  FYI, AI states the power output of each module is 72 watts; mine are within 4% of what they say.
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  19. JB Veteran Reefkeeper

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    Sone, that's great info. Based on that, I'd be cutting my energy use by almost 70% by switching to LED.

    How long have you been running the AI LED's? Do you have a feel for how they compare to MH as far as quality of the light?
     
  20. slovan

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    JB, I am still running MH & T5 on my display. I am setting up a frag tank but I am still waiting on the tank so I have no experience with growth and coloration under LEDs.
     

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