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Alk Problem - been dosing pickling lime

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pete H., Sep 16, 2012.

  1. Bud

    Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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  2. Pete H.

    Pete H. Well-Known ReefKeeper

    Oh. Oops. Haha. I get it now. I thought I was to subtract the two measurements at first. I get it now though.

    So, if my magnesium is right, then I just need to dose to get my all up but not my calcium right?
     
  3. Bud

    Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    Yes, dose to get your alk up. You might consider a PWC to get the Cal down actually. If you have been mixing Instant Ocean RC to salinity of 34-35, then your alk will be high and possibly cal too. Try mixing in 50% RC 50% Sea Salt (SS doesn't have as much Cal and Mag IIRC). Or just do a PWC with only SS.

    Usually when I test IO RC @ Sal=35, the Alk is really high, like 12 or 13. So I have a hard time understanding how you have been doing regular PWCs and your alk keeps dropping while your Cal stays the same. Something is not right here. Alk and Cal should get used up at the same rate or roughly the same rate, unless you're running an oversized algae scrubber, and even then it's not always the case.

    dripping kalk should keep the alkalinity right, once you have it where you want it. From everything I've read, you shouldn't rely on kalk to raise or lower alk or cal, only to maintain it. Also I've read that kalk won't always maintain Cal, which is why you read about people dissolving the kalk powder in vinegar before adding it to the top-off water or before dosing, as this increases the available Cal content of kalkwasser.
     
  4. beckerj3

    beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member


    Yeah - I thought that might be the problem. But, it was late last night when I wrote the message and I listed it wrong also! Yes, you need to dose for alk. Kalkwasser won't do that. Use the calculator on BRS to determine how much you need to add. You will probably need to spread it out over a couple of days. When your alk is where you want it to be, then test again for your calc to be sure it is where you want it. When both are good, then don't dose anything for a few days or even up to a week ( I don't think you have that many SPS or LPS in that tank). Then take another reading on your alk and calc and you will have an idea of how much your tank has used, and you can calculate a decent dosage for the kalkwasser or just 2 part solution. Also, your water changes will affect things as it generally has a higher calc and alk (at least that is true for Reef crystals if you make it up at 1.026 salinity)
     
  5. Tickyty

    Tickyty Well-Known ReefKeeper




    If I get this correct, running an UAS will consume alk but not calc?





     
  6. Bud

    Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    Hey there T. If you read a few threads on the scrubber site, you'll see that in certain situations a scrubber will suck down the alk in the system, this supposedly happens when all the CO2 is used up, and the algae then uses bicarbonate to create carbon compounds during the photosynthesis process.

    I noticed this effect when I was running an oversized T5HO based scrubber (too big compared to feeding) and I was getting yellow rubbery growth. After switching that tank to the L2 w/LEDs which is smaller, this effect has pretty much gone away from what I can tell, I can dose 6.5 fl oz of BRS Alk into a 5g bucket of RODI on an ATO that pumps about 0.75-1.0 GPD into the system and I maintain Alk right at 9.0 consistently, and then I dose/adjust Cal once a week, usually adding about 10 fl oz to keep it at or around 425. So I may be using a bit more alk, but I was topping off with 1.33 GPD at the same Alk concentration and not keeping up with Alk drop before switching scrubbers.

    UAS scrubbers supposedly do not have the alk drop problem, because the CO2 is supplied directly by the air bubbler. However I question the validity of the science behind that theory.
     
  7. Actuary

    Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

    I'm not shocked at all that your Ca is getting out of line with Alk with just dripping kalk. In my experience kalk tends to rise Ca more than alk while a calcium reactor rises my alk more than Ca. That and the fact that kalk helps boost pH while the CO2 from the calcium reactor depresses it is why I really like running both a kalk stirrer and a calcium reactor.
     
  8. Bud

    Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    I guess it depends on how many stony corals you have - I don't have a huge amount of experience with Kalkwasser. But it makes sense that if you don't have many SPS then dripping kalk may throw off your Cal eventually.
     

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