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Alk Problem - been dosing pickling lime

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pete H., Sep 16, 2012.

  1. Pete H.

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    So, a while back, my 20 gallon got low on alkalinity (6 dkH) and my supernatural cap bleached out. I got lots of good advice on how to fix that. I am happy to note that my supernatural cap has come back completely and looks great. I have been using pickling lime in the top off water (1 teaspoon per gallon) and I have adjusted my water changes to roughly 20% every week.



    Well, I have been using lime water in all my top off and doing regular water changes for over a month. However, I just can't seem to get my alkalinity up into the 9 dkH area like I want. Any advice? Here are my parameters. (right before my water change):



    Ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0, phosphate 0, pH 8.4, alkalinity 7dkH, calcium 500. I am afraid if I change too. I am afraid if I change it to much, my all will go way low, or I will spike my pH.



    Please advise! /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif
     
  2. Pete H.

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    Is there a way to test the limewater? Just trying to get some idea of how to get the alkalinity up without spiking the pH. I am already afraid my high pH might be bothering some of my zoas.
     
  3. Andy The Reef Guy

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    use SeaChem buffer, and probably measure and look at doing magnesium additions

    http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-04/rhf/feature/index.php

    http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-06/rhf/index.php#2 (See section on alk)
     
  4. Andy The Reef Guy

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    you probably will bother many corals, you need to trip dose or top off with lime water, never do it in large batch doses. In my first tank I had a lot of problems with algae on the sand, it's because of the precipitous effect of the limewater carrying soluble metal oxides, phosphates and other anions to the sand bed, concentrating them where they become bioavailable to the flora and fauna already present.
     
  5. Pete H.

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    I have a Gatorade drip bottle for cheap auto top off. It drips slowly through the day and I put limewater in it. Is this how to do it? I try not to add much at once. Just slowly as it evaporates.
     
  6. Andy The Reef Guy

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    yah that's the way to do it. Look at your magnesium levels, that will really help in this situation I think.
     
  7. Pete H.

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    Ok. I will get to measuring this. (I will be honest though and say I have. Not tested this in the past and will have to get a test kit for it.) Hopefully tomorrow I will have details for the magnesium level. Thanks!
     
  8. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

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    I would venture to guess that the Mag is low so you might want to have some on hand Pete /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif Also, if your pH goes higher than you want it , dosing some distilled vinegar will bring it down. You could cut back on dosing the limewater too or use just a 1/2 tsp per gal as long as you keep the alk where you want it. Good luck Pete!
     
  9. moneypit

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    Don't worry about chasing your PH, get your Alk. stable and let your PH do what it does it'll eventually fall into place.
    Here's a nice little read for ya, a lot of info.

    http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1179702
     
  10. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Your Ca is getting a bit high relative to your alk... that's pretty typical if you're doing kalk/lime water by itself to supplement Ca/Alk. I don't think your alk is a problem at 9 dkH (I try to stay between 7.5 and 8.0) but if you really want to raise it I would suggest using either B-Ionic's alk supplement or a cheaper option would be baking soda.
     
  11. Pete H.

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    My alk is at 7 and I was thinking on trying to get to 8+ or 9 dkH to keep from getting tissue loss on sps. I am going to get a magnesium test tonight so I can check that.
     
  12. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    If it were me, I'd do the following: 1) Check magnesium level. If too low, you'll have trouble with keeping calc & alk where you want them to be. 2) You need to first use 2 part suppliments to first get your calc & alk in line with each other where you want them to be, then you can use the kalkwasser. 3) Your calc is definitely too high. So, I'd stop dosing the kalkwasser until the calc is lower (400 - 425). 4) Raise the alk using the alk component from a 2 part solution. 5) When both calc and alk are where you want them to be, then slowly start using the kalkwasser and test after a few days or a week.

    For a 20 gallon you won't need much magnesium or alk even if they are low (use calculator on BRS web-site to determine how much to dose). If you're in WDM I can give you a bit of either/both.
     
  13. Pete H.

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    Alright. So, I checked the magnesium using the Salifert Magnesium test kit. Apparently, my magnesium was really low. I registered at 180 ppm. So, I am dosing some magnesium in top off water in order to get the magnesium up. I am using Seachem Reef advantage magnesium crystals to raise the magnesium. Hopefully when I get the mag up to the 1320 ppm, then I will be able to better keep the calcium and alkalinity. So, I will work to get that in line.

    Something in the directions does not seem quite right. It says: Use 5 g (1 level teaspoon) per 80 L (20 gal) twice a week. Dissolve in at least 250 mL of RO water. Each 5g/80 L will raise the mag by 5 mg/L (or ppm right). Do not exceed 25g/80L. So, does that mean I can only raise the mag by 25 ppm per day? If I am at 180 ppm, that is going to take my 1.5 months (assuming no mag depletion.) I have 300 g of magnesium crystals. That would mean I can only raise my magnesium by 300 ppm. So, I would also need like 4 bottles of this stuff. Can someone explain what I am missing?

    Thanks. I am glad that I am getting the mag back on track. I hope that will help the sps and lps really take off.
     
  14. Tickyty

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    This sounds like the same thing I am going through right now. I will have to find a test kit as well.
     
  15. Pete H.

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    yeah, I am hoping to have some insight from someone who doses the magnesium. /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  16. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    If you're doing 20% PWCs per week, there should be no way in heck tat your mag is that low. I highly suspect the accuracy of that test result.
     
  17. Pete H.

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    Ok. It did seem low. I will test it again. Thanks Bud.
     
  18. beckerj3 Expert Reefkeeper Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member

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    Yeah that reading doesn't sound right. Did you possibly misread the table, i.e. make a calculation error? When your vial changed color was the amt of solution left in the syringe at .88 or .12 ?? For a magnesium level of 180 that would mean that only .12 of solution was left in the vial...... If the amt of solution left in the syringe was .88 - that would be a mag level of 1320.
     
  19. Pete H.

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    I drew back the syringe to the 1 ml line. (there was an air bubble) then I pushed out almost all the fluid til about 0.1 ml was left in the syringe. I will test it again and post the results.
     
  20. Pete H.

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    Ok. So, I did the test again. I pulled the syringe plunger back to 1 ml then I dropped it until the plunger was at 0.1 mL does that mean my magnesium is at 1350 ppm or 150 ppm? I am not sure I know which way to read the scale. Can you let me know which it is?
     

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