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algae scrubber

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Franks, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. Franks

    Franks Inactive User

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    just got done with the frame of my algea scrubber.. looking for any and all comments/advice. i still have to get screen, lights, and a pump.
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  2. Andy The Reef Guy

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    Sweet algae turf scrubber dude! Although ATS"s are sort of early 1990's technology, there have been some very advanced collegiate studies done on recirculating systems employing ATS's vs protien skimmers and they have found that ATS's systems are more biologically diverse systems with many more levels of trophic complexity. Although their ability to function as an organic waste removal device is related directly to the amount are they employ. It's definately a "more biology, less technology," type of approach to nutrient export, but should work realtively well depending on the application.

    The authors of the book Dynamic Aquaria, present many case studies and give detailed overview of trophic webs in many different types of oceanic ecosystems. It's a great read for junior/senior level biologists/ecologists/environmental scientists.

    Tell us more about how exactly this system is going to function? Do you have any diagrams or plans your working off of? Where did you get the idea, and what's the application?

     
  3. Franks

    Franks Inactive User

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    the design pretty much just came out of no where. i mean i came across a bunch of different ways a building them on some websites.. but i pretty much saw a vision and built it how i wanted it... the scrubber will have a screen in the middle with 2 lights on each side.. ill cut a slit in the top pipe so the water can flow down the screen... it fits perfect in my sump and ill be pumping water throw the 1/2 inch pvc pipe. i put a ball valve in so i can adjust the water pressure going throw the scrubber... if it goes well im working a plans for a duel scrubber set up.. i hate seeing algae in my tank so i hope to control it and keep it in my sump.. heres a couple pics of my set up about a week ago...
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  4. Andy The Reef Guy

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    Cool, how big is the tank Franks? I would suggest sliding it over so that you have good access to the scrubber for maintenance, you'll want to scrape it periodically. Unfortunately even an algae turf scrubber can't ensure that you won't have nusance algae in the main tank, although it can't hurt. Bryopsis, cyano, and many other algaes actually have a lot more to do with what's going on with the succession of microbial populations in the microcosoms of communities living within single rock pores.

    Are you going to use nylon window screening for the turf or what? Where did you first get the idea, have you used a turf scrubber before?
     
  5. vikubz Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am thinking of doing one of these. I have mixed results getting chaeto to grow, but I have nice crops of the 'turfy' algae growing on the baffles in my sump. Time to put that algae to good use.
     
  6. tasha6

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    I have one question on the size of the screen.  It looks as if you have a pretty decent size system and for an algae scrubber which is lit on both sides they suggest one square inch of screen per gallon of water.  If it doesn't fall into this category you may not get the results you are wanting.  Also, what type of bulbs do you plan on running? 
    We went with this concept also and finally got ours up and running last weekend.  We are seeing stuff on the screen but no algae yet.  On the screen material, we used rug canvas but we don't think it is rigid enough and are probably going to need to find something else.  On the nylon screen, if you use this, be careful with what you get because a lot of them are treated with chemicals to prevent mold and mildew growth.
     
  7. Franks

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    The tank is a 75g.. iv only had the tank for 2 weeks now.. first saltwater set up iv done... my buddy had the 75g before i bought it.. he upgraded to a 180g with a 75g sump lil over a year ago.. (makes my tanks look tiny lol) but when he upgraded he started talking about building an algae scrubber.. well after hearing him talking about it for over a year  when i got this tank from him i started thinking about them mysalf... looked online at the millions of ways of building one and built this one... its not done by no means yet.. i still have yet to figur out what lights im going to run and need to find screen, pumps and timers for the lights and do some lil touches to the scrubber..  as far as lighting goes.. algae needs a good growing light in order for healthy growth.. i would like to run a mini fluorescant light under my tank with a couple 10000k's  seems to me that algae loves the 10000k lights but for now ill probably run 2 5100k flood lights.. so far the screen width will be 7.5 inches (7.5X17.5).. will run about 260 gph so its not to bad.. the dual setup im looking at building next it this one works good will have 15 inches of screen and will flow over 500 gph [ (2X) 7.5X17.5 ].. i moved some stuff aroung and slid the sump over last night.. was planning on dont that anyways to make it easier..
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  8. tasha6

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  9. Franks

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    well after sleeping on my idea and looking it over this morning i have made a few changes to the set up.. ill will be posting more pics of it later today... i have widen the screen with to 10 inches and shortened it by about 1.5 inches.. and made a more direct water flow.. so now i should be flowing 350 gph..
     
  10. Franks

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    thanks for the info after reading i have made some changes.. [​IMG]
     
  11. Franks

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    Almost done.. [​IMG] iv made a few changes for the better.
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  12. Andy The Reef Guy

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    Dude that looks great!!!! What is the screen material you're using?
     
  13. Franks

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    thr screen is just a tanks divider.. and i have decided to use a 22in fluorescent light with a couple day light bulds..
     
  14. pondman

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    Tank deviders are pretty smooth to get the best results roughen up the plastic screen so your algae gets a better hold. I am in the process of building a new sump for my 125 and I am making a new scrubber as well. I am going to use that plastic canvas from the craft store. hope this helps
     
  15. Franks

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    idk what tank divider u have used but im using top fin and its pretty rough  i mean done get me wrong its smooth compart to the cavans for the craft store but with all the lil holes u would be suprise how it feels..
     
  16. Franks

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    got the light hung tonignt gunna get the pumps this weekend and get 'em set up.
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  17. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    nice work on this build. looking forward to seeing it in action.
     
  18. Franks

    Franks Inactive User

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    Scrubber up and going [​IMG] and a few new goodies. gen x 40 pump and a koralia wave maker
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  19. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Great job! I've gone through a couple generations of the one on this tank that you might want to check out:
    Tank Journal - 125 Reef
    ...and have done a ton of research before building this one.  I am all for ATSs and want people running them to have great success, otherwise you'll fall into the "I tried that and it didn't work" category.
    Some of the things I see on your design that need to be looked at are as follows:
    #1 - The light is too far away.  This is the biggest issue.  You need to have the light only a few inches from the screen.  You are not going to get growth of any significance with it shining from the top, it needs to be right next to the screen.  With a setup like yours, probably the best thing to do is to get a couple of 23W CFLs and round clip-on relflectors and put one on either side of the screen.  That's really the only way you're going to get enough light on the screen.  The light intensity drops off at the inverse square of the distance from the screen, so at 4" versus 8" away, the intensity is cut in 1/4.
    #2 - The screen must be significantly rough.  I've seen the aquarium divider design several times (not in person), but you have to scratch the bejeesus out of it, or else the algae won't stay attached to the screen.  I used plastic canvas from Michaels (or Jo-Anne fabric), it's found 8x11 and 11x17 pieces of it.  Then I rough it up with a door lock set hold core until the screen almost falls apart.  I think you could use it in your design (the 11x17 sheet) and you would have much better success.
    #3 - You don't need the wavemaker.  The old dump-style ATS (that Inland Aquatics holds the patent on, the one that everyone is referring to when they talk about yellow water and nasty smell) used a surge system.  The modern ATSs don't need that surge system.  The reason you don't want it is because if the turf is exposed to air long enough, you will start to smell it.  It doesn't smell hardly at all until you start growing the red turf.  I got a seed screen of red turf from IA and it made me gag.  The green turf (which is what you really want) hardly smells at all.  The wavemaker certainly won't hurt anything, but it's just not necessary to use.
    This is just my friendly advice - I want your system to succeed, I've read a lot about them before building mine (which cost more than yours, so not everyone can do it, plus it was for a customer so I didn't pay for it)
    But this is one half of what I get out of it every week (started the ATS on 10/10/10).
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    Last edited: Apr 26, 2015

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