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Activated Carbon = HLLE?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CMC319, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. CMC319

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    The Theory: Activated Carbon can/does cause Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE) in Marine fish.

    The Question: Has anyone had any experience with this? From the research I have done I can’t pin down my own opinion on the matter. Looking for personal experiences on this one. I currently run GFO and Carbon in my dual reactor 24/7. I was going to get a Yellow Tang started in my QT tank this weekend but came across a couple posts that claimed their Tangs developed HLLE due to running carbon on their systems, when the carbon was removed the fish recovered. Maybe a case of misdiagnosis, a coincidence that the fish recovered after removal of the carbon? A lot of people run carbon successfully with no issues so you would think if it was truly causing HLLE to develop that it would be well known and documented by this point.

    Thanks in advance!

    -Chad
     
  2. Actuary Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I've never experienced HLLE before and always run BRS carbon. I've heard of this theory before though and have heard others say that it's sometimes an issue with "cheaper" carbon... I've also seen Marineland's name mentioned more than once regarding HLLE.
     
  3. Chief Reef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I think it's a combination of a few different actions to prevent/treat it. The main ones being great water quality, healthy eating schedules (many small meals is much better than a few large meals), and it doesnt hurt to throw in a $15 grounding probe because the cause of it is still iffy. Also I soak my food in Zoecon from Kent once a day but you can use selcon as an alternative- it promotes growth and doesn't have phosphate. I run carbon but not gfo and I cured HLLE on my tang by doing all of those things listed. I have heard about the carbon thing, and it could be true but not for me.
     
  4. CMC319

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    Thanks. I’m leaning that way as well. Just not enough concrete evidence out there for me to go pulling out carbon all together. I actually run two probes in my system. One in the sump at all times during normal operation. Then I drop one in my DT when I do maintenance since the path through the return/drain lines is cut off when the pumps are off. Grounding Probes are the cheapest form of insurance in this hobby, I probably have a dozen laying around. I also feed small amounts three times a day and clip seaweed soaked with garlic once a week for my Fox Face. I only have 3 fish at the moment so there isn’t much food going in either way. I’m extremely strict on my water changes. Every 10 days, 15 gallons comes out, 15 gallons goes in (The fiancée has learned that when the grey Brute can comes out all my other “chores” get put on hold). So hopefully all of that combined will pay off in the long run. That and actually using a QT system. Made that mistake on my first tank……never again will I drop a fish straight into the DT from a bag.

    Appreciate the input.
     
  5. CMC319

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    Good to know. All I run is BRS. For GFO and Carbon
     
  6. Chief Reef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Yeah it sounds like you have limited the risk quite substantially with your current routine haha. The only thing I forgot to mention was the seaweed in the form of nori I put in once a day, but once a week will probably due if everything else is good.
    If you are still worried about the activated carbon I heard somewhere, anecdotally of course, that running carbon 24/7 is not necessary because there is only so much it can clarify and once it is clarified you don't need to use it again until it gets mirky or you do a water change or etc. Even tho I just put it in a media bag and change it every few weeks, it's just what I heard. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  7. jeremy Acro Addict

    Davenport, IA
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    I have run BRS Carbon 24/7 on the 120 that had been running from 2011. Had a yellow and a purple tang the whole time and neither had any signs of hlle.
     
  8. AdamLawrence Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Marion, IA
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    I have dealt with hlle with a blue tang and was and always have ran carbon. I thought it was stray voltage so i put in a ground rod didnt do anything so i did more digging and couldn't come up with much but at the end all i did was chanage his diet to more greens. Than finally it started to reseed. Now he is 9 years old and fat as a pig and looks good with a couple of small scares left he was about as big as a quarter when i brought him home.

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  9. Fence13 Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I run BRS Rox carbon 24/7 (don't change it regularly) but my Kole tang is just fine. I do however, have a flame angel with some beginning signs of it, but nothing bad and it's had the same signs for the last 3 years.
     
  10. CMC319

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    Thanks everyone. Exactly what I was looking for. So the take away here is that HLLE is not always a death sentence and like most other issues in this hobby, can be prevented/avoided. I'm going to continue running my carbon as it has been working great so far. Chief Reef - I looked into the carbon 24/7 pros and cons prior to setting up the reactor and ended up deciding to run it all the time. Partly because of the coral warfare aspect of some of the coral I eventually want to add. Also noticed a definite difference in water clarity after it was installed.
     
  11. Buku Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Ankeny, IA
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    If I remember correctly it's caused by fine carbon particles. It was mostly from people tumbling carbon, which you shouldn't do. The tumbling would cause them to rub against each other and make their way out of the reactor.
     
  12. CMC319

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    Good point. Now that you mention it, I have seen a lot of posts online about people tumbling their carbon. Not a good practice. Another reason I like the BRS dual stage. It tumbles the gfo in the first chamber then through the charcoal, sandwiched between foam in the second. But that does make sense, I can definitely see how breathing in carbon fines day after day would cause issues.
     

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