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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bullet, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. Bullet

    Bullet Inactive User

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    I have been cooking rock for a month now and I finally filled the tank last night.  The rock was at 0 nitrates last week.  I used new sand seeded with about 3 cups of sand from an established tank.  Of course RO/DI water with 0 TDS was used.  My questions is...will I have a cycle?  I am guessing I will see something but I am wondering if the sand and rock is enough to start the cycle.
     
  2. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    It may be good to throw in a little bit of fish food. You need something for the bacteria to eat. If you do it slowly enough, and depending on how often you test your water, you may never see the cycle spike. Its when you rush it and throw too much into the tank at once when your bacteria population can't maintain the amount of waste created and you get a large nasty cycle.
     
  3. Bullet

    Bullet Inactive User

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    Thanks Kylie...thats a good idea. That way I can make sure if it were going to cycle it will.
     
  4. Kylie

    Kylie Inactive User

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    Yep. And then you know you've started a good bacteria population by the food instead of starting it when you have a vulnerable fish in the tank /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  5. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    You can also dose ammonia. The only stuff I use is the janitorial strength stuff from Ace Hardware as it has no surfactants (soap). The stuff you can get at target and wal-mart sometimes works too because all soap is surfactant but not all surfactant is soap, if you shake the bottle vigorously and it doesn't foam up at the top, you're good. But all you need is a 1 qt bottle which you will never use all of, ever. so that's why I go to Ace.

    IMO the fastest way to cycle your tank, or to be sure it's cycled. If you raise the ammonia to between 1 and 2 ppm and it's converted all the way to Nitrate the next day, your cycle is done.

     
  6. Bullet

    Bullet Inactive User

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    Is there a formula available on how much ammonia to add to 40 gallons to get it to 1-2 ppm?
     
  7. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    It depends on the concentration of the one you buy. I started with the target/wal-mart brand and it wasn't as strong as the Ace brand. I think for a 250 gallon tank I was adding 1/4 cup a day to keep it around 2-4 ppm (don't exceed 4, but stay above 1) but I can't recall, it was 2 years ago. Maybe I put it on a thread....I'll have to look that up...

    The best thing to do is to start with 5g of water in a bucket (RO/DI preferrably, tap will throw off the test kit) with a small powerhead, add 1 mL and let mix for a few minutes, then test, add another mL, mix, test, etc until you get an idea of how much will raise that my what amount, then extrapolate.
     
  8. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

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    Ok I found it (that was fast) I was way off, Initially, I raised it to 2-4 ppm, and it took about a week to start dropping. With the Ace stuff I only needed to add 6 teaspoons (that's 2 Tablespoons) every day to 250 gallons and that was getting 100% turned to Nitrite by the next day, once ammonia started to drop. I think I was using 1/4 cup of the target stuff.

    So that's 250/40 - 6.25 so 1 teaspoon for 40 gallons should raise it significantly, I would start with 1/8-1/4 tsp of Ace ammonia and test 15 minutes later, etc. Get it to 1 ppm then test in 24 hours. If no ammonia then test nitrite. If no nitrite you're done.
     
  9. Bullet

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    Tuesday I added 1/8 tsp of ammonina to the tank. That gave me a reading of 1ppm. Yesterday it tested .25ppm and today it is zero. Nitrites and nitrates are both zero. Am I cycled? or should I add ammonia to get to 2ppm and see how long it takes to eliminate it just to make sure?
     
  10. Waverz

    Waverz Expert Reefkeeper

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    I just started up a tank using this method as well.  I used Dr. Tim's One and Only live bacteria and then got my ammonia up to 4ppm twice before adding fish.  I am now having a small diatom bloom so I know there is something happening.
    To answer your question I would dose again just to be sure, that way no fish have to suffer.
     

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