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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kpotter2, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Peppermint Shrimp attaching my Brain coral. I have total of 5 in my 29gal. There is no doubt in my mind that they eat Coral. Even know everyone and most online site say they don't. Here are the shrimp and this is what I have done to see if I am right. Any suggestions would help.
    Got Brain coral Last weekend with a little Skeletal showing. Great looking and with in hours it was bloated up and looking rather well.
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    Here is the Peppermint shrimp.
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    I did this after the next day and the brain would not bloat up at all. It seem to be very pissed off all the time. Plus the flesh looking to be being ripped off. I cut the top of a 2litter bottle and put holes in the sides. The shrimp still pull at him through the holes if they can reach him.
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    This is shrimp looking for an opening to get in to it.
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    I took the 2letter top out and with in a few minutes one would go after the bad spot on the Brain and start pulling pieces off and others would come get it and eat it.
    I don't know what to do.
    Are there just too many in there? I have no where to put them if I get them out any one want them?
    Any suggestions would be great.
    Thanks
    Kyle
     
  2. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

    La Porte City, IA
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    Keep your brain in good flow.

    The shrimp are not the problem, they are eating the dead flesh which is what shrimp do.
     
  3. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    +1  Have you checked your water parameters?  Are your nitrates in check?
    --AJ
     
  4. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Sorry everything is in check with where my water is coming from. Alk and Calc are higher then most, but this is the way its mixed. I have had communication with the source of my saltwater and it is what it is. Years of service in the industry has fueled this mix. Anyway on with the perimeter My PH is 8.2,Nitrates 0 and Ammonia 0. Phos are at .25 witch I just stated testing and need to get a Mag test and get the Phosphates down would be great and I will.  My Brain coral has flow, but no direct flow over him. It is just to the right of the tank on the sand and flow from the power filter flow towards it, but not right on top of it. I have covered him because the shrimp pick on him 24/7 and he needs a rest. The only section they pick on is the one in the last picture. I am moving to a CPR HOB as soon as I can to add a skimmer and get away from power filter and bio wheels. I think this is what is causing my red alga. I have has a small red carpet alga growing here and there mostly on the bottom sand on the left half of my tank. I just moved some live rock around on the right side and took a piece out that I thought was causing water flow issues in turn causing the red alga.  All other inhabitants are doing well and no problems at this time.
    One more thing I did acclimate him well I think. 15minutes with some water from my tank to his container, then did this 2 more times. so around 45minutes then put him in my tank. I do know that I am higher in Alkalinity then the original owner, but it says online about brains and they will adapt after a few days to light and water conditions.
    Thanks
    kyle
     
  5. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Thanks Roads I am sure you are right, but they sure like to eat it. Pull it right off. Its kind of killing me.
     
  6. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Please keep the question coming if i am not filling you in with the correct info.

    Thanks all your the best.

    kyle
     
  7. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Any suggestions on what to do from here? I am going to just keep the letter battle top on him until it heals for now. Unless I should just let the Shrimp pick it off and then hope they leave him alone.



    Thanks
    Kyle
     
  8. ctrenary

    ctrenary Inactive User

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    I've also observed peppermint shrimp eating coral. I have 5 frags of pocillopora in my frag tank and 3 shrimp ate almost all the polyps off of them in 2 nights. I've since moved the shrimp to my DT and they haven't bothered any coral yet but they have been cleaning up my small aiptasia problem.

    While the shrimp may be eating the dead flesh they could also be doing further damage.
     
  9. AJ

    AJ Inactive User

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    What kind of fish do you have in the tank? Any angels? Brain corals are pretty resilient. I purchased a very nice red brain at Fall Fest last year which was decimated by a flame angel. I thought it was a goner. It's been in my frag tank and doing great...healing up quite nicely. Take your time...target feed mysis or something meaty, but not too large..make sure that it gets adequate light & cross your fingers.

    --AJ
     
  10. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Nope no angels. I will feed him like you said, but you think its a good idea to keep it under the 2litterto top?
    I only have a firefish and pair of clowns.
    I will cross my fingers. Lol thanks
     
  11. mthomp

    mthomp Inactive User

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    I do not feel it will get enough flow in that cover. You did say you have some cyano going on right now. That alone says you are most likely having a po4 issue and your test are wrong because the algae is eating it. I also didn't see a alk or calcium test result. Also you aren't running a skimmer? I have a HoB octopus skimmer you can have for free. It does need a seam repaired and the pump needs taken apart and cleaned but its free. heres a link.

    http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/reef-octopus-hang-on-the-back-1000-oct-bh1000.html
     
  12. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Ok I may not have said I put about 40 holes in the side of it to keep flow going through it with out letting shrimp in. Cyano has been in this tank a little for many weeks with no harm to anything. My Alk and Calc are at 16KH and 580. I am waiting now to see if my coral uses this up or if its truly to high. I have done a lot of reading online and it says if your coral is doing well don't change things. Alk and Calc are balance this high and I have read as long as its balance then just keep and eye on it. As fare as the Po4 or Phosphate I said it was reading around .25 on my API test chart as of Friday. I will test again tomorrow everything and see what everything is at again. keep it all coming and I will keep you posted.

    Thanks again all.

    Kyle
     
  13. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

    Marshalltown, IA
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    No, it won't get the flow or light that it needs under the liter bottle. PO4 is an issue as well as flow. Nitrate is reading 0 because of the algae using it. If you feel that the brain is stressed by the shrimp, either put the brain on an elevated mag rack (where the shrimp can't climb up and get to it) or isolate the shrimp.
     
  14. Sponge Expert Reefkeeper Vendor

    Marshalltown, IA
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  15. Bud Loves Bacon Website Team Board of Directors Leadership Team GIRS Member Vendor

    West Des Moines, IA
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    Instead of the 2-liter bottle, get some #5 clear plastic canvas from a Wal-Mart (if they have it - usually they only have #7) or a fabric store (in the knitting section) and use zip-ties to make a cage out of it. Put clear plastic (acrylic or polycarbonate, whatever you can get a hold of) on the top to let light in (the mesh will cut the light down quite a bit).

    If you can only find the #7 that's fine, you can spend some time and cut out some of the piece to make bigger holes if you need to. This stuff is great, lets flow through and keeps buddies out.

    Initially I used this for an algae scrubber screen. Since then I have found it to be the undiscovered wonder product. You can make media baskets, isolation baskets, intake pump screens, diffusers, spray blockers, you name it.

     
  16. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I agree with Craig, that your shrimp are not eating the brain coral. I can't tell you how many posts have been on this board claiming shrimp ate a clam or a snail or what not. Yes, it ate it....after it died. The shrimp never are the cause of death......

    Just based on what I read, I would say your water parameters are FAR out of whack. You do NOT want your ca or alk that high. And the fact that you have cyano and what not means your nitrates and phosphates are off as well.

    The brain coral could just be reacting to your water parameters....and the shrimp are only eating the dead stuff. I would be willing to bet $10 your shrimp aren't the problem.

    The water bottle cage protecting the brain coral is troubling....you need flow getting to that thing.

    Good luck.
     
  17. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

    La Porte City, IA
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    LPS in general do not like excessivly high KH. SPS yes, LPS no.

    Good luck
     
  18. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Keep it all coming. Although its a bit confusing, because I am hearing a lot of conflicting things between what i read online and with experience in the hobby. Its all going to help me in the end, but it sounds like I am going to have to work it out for myself with a little pointers from everyone. I am going to recheck my water tonight.
    Thanks everyone.
    Kyle
     
  19. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I am wondering what you are hearing that is so conflicting?

    The high alk and ca readings you refer to...I don't know anyone that would recommend the levels you are carrying. I could see Hung maybe cranking these levels for his service industry because he only comes once a month so there is no two week water change to replenish these levels. Plus he might do this because most of his customers do not have a lot of equipment like ca reactors. But still, I would never keep my levels that high period. Balanced or not. Technically, you also need to balance your mag and if you balanced that with the high levels of ca and alk then you would burn your corals due to mag burn.

    also, did you say that skeletal pieces were showing before you added it to your tank? If so, it was already heading south and then you added it to your tank which has less than ideal parameters, further stressing it out. Educated guess here.



     
  20. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

    North liberty, IA
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    Update,

    Am=0 Nitrates=0 Phos=.25 Alk=15dhk PH=8.2 Calc=480 and last but not least I took bottle top off brain coral and seen what the shrimp would do. They did not bother him while I was watching and before they would right away. I will keep working on my water and get the Alk/Calc balanced at the norms. This will be hard, but with me adding the CRP skimmer sometime this week I am sure that will help too. I do not know where to find a Mag test kit, but I will keep looking.

    Thanks everyone I will keep you posted on how things are going. Al coral seem to be very happy right not as fare as I can tell.

    Kyle
     

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