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40BR Setup & Stocking

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Travis Bundy, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    40 Gallon Breeder (36x18)

    25 lb Sand

    15 lb Rock - Planning on adding additional live rock over time.

    Eheim Jager Heater

    Reef Octopus BH1000 HoB Skimmer (Debating this or a AC110 HoB Filter)

    Odyssea 48" 54Wx2 T5 HO 6400K



    Stocking:

    2 Clown Fish

    1 Flame Angel

    3 Chromis



    This is my first Saltwater experience. How does all of this look? The only supply that has not been bought is the HoB Skimmer. Would this tank be properly stocked? Any comments, advice, or critism would be grealy appreciated.
     
  2. Tickyty

    Tickyty Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    The clowns should be added last since they can be agressive. They may also battle the Chromis. Someone else chime in on this.
     
  3. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    I'm purchasing my fish from Clowns & Coral. It was suggested that I cycle with a pair of clowns and slowly add the other stock 6+ weeks down the line after the nitrate spike. The clowns were suggested due to their hardiness. Do you think the Chromis would be a better fit for cycling? I'm also not in love with the Chromis and would be willing to put something else in their place.
     
  4. MXC207 Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Cycle with chromis. Theyre cheaper. As for the light why are you putting a 4ft fixture over a 3ft tank? Reef octopus are good skimmers, though i have no experience with hob.
     
  5. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    Lol, thank you for that correction, 3 ft 39Wx2 with one 10k bulk and one actinic bulb. Will this be ok for these fish and potentially anemones down the road?
     
  6. moneypit

    moneypit Inactive User

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    "Cycle with chromis. Theyre cheaper"

    NEVER cycle with fish, I'll call bullshit on that. Throw a shrimp/scallop in the tank. Put yourself in the poor fishes shoes all you need is for something to start the cycle and BTW the chromis's will eventually be one fish.
     
  7. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    I did order a bottle of Nitrifying Bacteria to add to hopefully help speed up the process. The information regarding conspecific aggression is very useful, thank you. I will likely be using an AC110 HoB filter for the duration of cycling and it is currently on a freshwater tank. Would leaving that bioload on the filter be beneficial or would it cause a huge algae bloom and really mess up my saltwater parameters? Also, how feasible would running that AC110 on there for an extended period of time. I apologize for all the questions, but I really appreciate the insight and feedback. I've spent a handful of hours doing research but so much "information" is based on opinion it seems.

    Thanks.
     
  8. dead fish Dead Fish

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    I would change all the filters on the HOB.

    As for the cycle, if you're using a product like Bio-Spira or Cycle and you want to put in a couple fish, I think you'll be OK. This isn't cycling like it used to be. You have some of the bacteria you need in there from the product. It's not the textbook, Internet Messageboard-approved way, but I have started tanks that way and built them slowly and the fish didn't die.

    I've had mixed results with chromis, though. They do seem to dwindle in number pretty rapidly.

    Ultimately I think you'd be better off starting with some live rock, live sand, Biospira, and buy a test kit or go to the LFS and have them check your water every week for a couple weeks. Watch for the ammonia and nitrite spike, monitor the nitrates until the get down to acceptable levels and then get a fish in there.
     
  9. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    I have never lost a fish from a cycle in my 25+ years. If you do correct water checks and watch for the start and end of cycle the fish will hardly know what is going on. Always correctly maintain water perameters while watching for start and stop of cycle. You can also use treatments called amonia and nitrites lock so that is not an issue.
     
  10. Brandon9400

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    ^ I agree with potter and moneypit. I've cycled tanks both ways and didn't see any difference in results but then again I never asked my damsel how comfy he was.

    I cycled my 56g reef tank with bio spira, a chunk of shrimp and a few cups of live sand from my nano tank to seed it. I then waited 2 weeks to add 1 fish then another 2 weeks to transfer everything else from my nano.

    When i started my 20g nano i filled it up with the sea water from petco, live sand and some live rock. within a day i added a damsel, two days later added a pair of clowns and then a coral branded shrimp. I then added a frogspawn and mushrooms a week after that. I was very impatient and just wanted to have my tank look like all the ones online quickly. I don't in any way advocate that starting a tank like that is right but it can be done. I still have my frogspawn,clownfish and damsel, that was 3 years ago.

    everything you have looks like you will be setup for a good start. I have that same reef octo hob skimmer on my 62g sumpless fowler tank and i love it. It skims really well and the cool thing is the return side of it can act as a mini refugium. I added some rubble, cheato, mangrove, and a cheap led light from menards. I have pods like crazy for the fish and the cheato/mangrove eat up some nitrates. So I say go for that skimmer you won't be dissapointed.

    Good luck take it slow, read, read and read some more.
     
  11. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    Once again, thanks for all the feedback. I set the tank up today and ended up going with 2 Eheim canister filters off of my 75 for right now and look into the HoB Skimmers in the future. My main concern was the noise level. I will likely cycle with a single Green Blue Chromis after a week or so with the tank running consistently with the nitrified bacteria. Since my Chromis stocking has been cut down to 1, I will likely add the Chromis first, Pair of Clowns a few weeks later, and Angelfish a few weeks later and maybe an additional fish after that.
     
  12. moneypit

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    And your maybe the exception to the rule, the point is no reasonable fish store should ever recommend using fish to cycle a tank and what if said fish is carrying Cryptocaron, then you've just introduced a parasite into your nice beautiful system. All the fish stores I have ever dealt with would never recommend using fish to cycle, but those stores are/were ran by people who have been in this alot longer than me and probably have a tad bit more knowledge than I do. Also whether its a chromis or damsel I'm not to fond of either of those species and we all know damsels can be a PITA. My 2 cents.
     
  13. Travis Bundy

    Travis Bundy Inactive User

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    Update: My new tank is now near the one month mark. I rushed things a little more than I probably should have but made my decisions based on what my water parameters and what I've observed. Some corrections to my initial post, I originally added 15 lbs of dry rock. I also added a similiar 2nd light that's 24" to bring my total T5 wattage to roughly 100W I also had 2 cheap Petco powerheads laying around rated at 250ish GPH each so I added those. I added a yellowtail damsel after a couple of days. 2 days later I added a Blue Devil Damsel(In hindsight should have passed). After about 5 days I noticed some brown algae growth which from what I read was normal. Around 1 week the nitrifying bacteria arrived and I added it immediately. I monitored the water parameters over the next couple of weeks and the cycling appeared to be very accelerated. The tank appeared to be cycled between week 2 and week 3. This may be credited to the nitrifying bacteria or the fact that the 2 eheim canisters have a huge amount of bioload, even though they were cleaned and rinsed with hot tap water, I'm sure some of that bacteria remained. So at 3 weeks I added 2 Black/White clowns, a 6-line wrasse, and 15 lbs of live rock. Also shortly after my Toms Aquarium Skimmer attachment for canister filters came and I installed that. It's been a week since then, 4 weeks total and everything appears to be going as planned. Notice some aggression from the Blue Devil Damsel when the new fish were added but that appears to have diminished.

    How much additional live rock should I add and what is more important, rock height or amount of footprint covered by rock. Should I have a couple of rocks that reach near the top of the tank?
    How am I doing on waterflow/current. First couple of weeks I had to turn off the powerheads because it was moving too much sand. That appears to be under control now. Currently have 500 rate GPH powerhead total + 2 Eheim Ecco 2236.
    Additions in the near future include a Flame Angel and additional live rock.
    Changes in the near future may include replacing the canister filters with a HoB Skimmer, but I really like how quiet the canisters are and when cleaning them, I've found very little waste buildup. I may also look into exchanging the 2 T5 lights for a lighting system around 200W, which from what I've read will be required for me to have any anemones that will host.

    I will post some pics later today when I have the chance to clean some of the brown algae off the front.

     

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