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Now in Production: L2 Waterfall LED 2 Cube/day Algae Scrubber

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  1. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    I am now in full production of my L2 LED Waterfall Algae Scrubber.


    Here are the details
    Type


    This is a downflow style waterfall scrubber with a slot tube for the screen and drain in the bottom of the box.
    UAS Conversion Kit


    The L2 is not an Upflow Algae Scrubber (UAS), however I will be working on developing a conversion kit to make it a UAS (see end of post for more info)
    Overview
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    Each L2 Algae Scrubber comes with everything shown in the picture above:


    Acrylic scrubber main body

    Lid with crossbraces

    False Bottom panel

    1" ABS Bulkhead (from BRS)

    1" Uniseal Bulkhead & 1" Schedule 40 PVC Street Elbow for secondary/emergency drain

    3/4" Schedule 40 PVC Pipe with 6" slot, End Cap, and Threaded Adapter (bonded)

    3/4" Schedule 40 PVC Threaded Union

    3/4" Thread-to-Hose Barb Elbow Adapter (alternatively, can supply straight adapter)

    6" wide x 4" tall (exposed area) roughed-up #7 Mesh Plastic Canvas screen (smooth area at top)

    6" Beaded Cable Tie for holding screen in slot

    (2) 8.5" x 6" Aluminum Heat Sinks from HeatSinkUSA

    (14) 3W LEDs - (12) 660nm Deep Red, (2) 455nm Royal Blue, mounted and wired (Name-brand or Off-brand, your choice)

    (3) sets of electrical connectors, installed

    Meanwell LPC-35-700 Constant Current Non-Dimmable LED Driver

    Plug adapter for Meanwell Driver (installed)

    (2) 5.25" x 8.5" Prismatic Diffuser plates

    (2) Nylon Thumbscrews for holding heat sinks in place


    Optionally, you can also get an Eheim Compact 1000 pump which is rated 40-265 GPH (at the slot, you ideally want 210 GPH of flow)
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    Here is a video overview of a completed unit
    L2 LED Waterfall-type Algae Scrubber Overview


    Here are a few videos of the unit in operation (flow test and false-bottom drain system)
    L2 LED Waterfall-type Algae Scrubber Sneak Peek
    L2 LED Waterfall-type Algae Scrubber Sneak Peek Part 2: The Silent Bubble-Free Drain


    I'm still working on perfecting the silent and bubble-free drain, but it definitely works on the test bench.
     
  2. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Scrubber capacity





    Primary / Stand-alone filtration for 2 cubes of food per day. As supplemental filtration, combined with other non-competing devices, it would reduce the need for media replacement and PWCs roughly proportionate to the amount over 2 cubes/day that you feed. So if you feed 4 cubes/day, you would likely reduce dependency on these items by about half, but every case is different so I can't guarantee anything.
    Construction


    The box is 100% Cell Cast Plexiglas-G material, all 1/4" black except for the clear windows and a few 1/8" parts. Main parts are manufactured on a CNC router, other parts are manufactured by hand. All joints are solvent welded using the "pins" method and guaranteed for 5 years against construction defects. Basically it's built like I build any other aquarium or sump, except it's only about 0.5 gallon capacity.
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    Dimensions


    Main box is 9" x 7" and 7.25" tall. The lid that sticks up another 3/4" to 1" but that could be replaced with glass or just left off. There is a 1" bulkhead on the bottom which extends approximately 2" down, and a uniseal on the side for a secondary emergency drain. The slot pipe sits in cutouts and extends past the box dimensions (see info on slot pipe assembly for more). The interior of the box (screen housing) is 3" between the window panels, primarily mandated by the dimensions of the bulkhead flange, but also for easy of cleaning.
    Side emergency drain


    A hole for a 1" Uniseal bulkhead is located at the center of one end. The Uniseal and a 1" street elbow is included. Additional plumbing (not included) will be required to provide a path back to the system should the bottom drain become blocked (which is highly unlikely, but definitely possible). The side drain path can also act as an air outlet if a sealed lid with a fan is placed on top of the box for active water cooling.


    Here's the Uniseal installed in the hole
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    Insert a "street" elbow, then just add drain plumbing as needed
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    False-bottom drain system


    A hole for a 1" ABS bulkhead drain is located in the center of the bottom panel. There is a 6" wide bottom panel that sits in the bottom of the box, above the drain. Water from the screen drains down onto this panel, then around it to the bulkhead. This keeps the screen and algae mat from direct contact with the drain, while also promoting entrapment of water for 3D growth. The false bottom also significantly muffles any sound from the drain, although it doesn't necessarily make it completely silent. Thanks is due to Chrissu who first suggested this concept of the false bottom to me last year.


    This is the removable false bottom plate
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    At the bottom, you can see the stand-offs for the false bottom
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    This is the false bottom in place
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    Lid


    The lid is 1/4" Black Acrylic with bracing on the bottom that keeps the lid centered
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    As well as bracing on the top, which is perpendicular to the bottom bracing. This is done to minimize warping of the lid.
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    Optionally, you can mount the driver on top of the lid. I just add a couple of tabs to the top bracing, and drill a few holes
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    Then the driver can be mounted as part of the lid (stainless steel screws included)
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    Slot pipe cutouts


    Slot pipe sits snugly in the cutouts on each end.
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  3. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Slot pipe assembly





    3/4" white schedule 40 PVC with precision cut slot, roughed-up #7 Plastic Canvas screen (6" x 4" exposed area), beaded cable ties, and pieces of spa flex hose bonded on to the pipe near the ends of the slot for blocking water creep along the pipe. The slot pipe has a cap on one end, and a threaded adapter on the other end. A threaded union is included, and a thread-to-hose barb elbow adapter. This allows multiple configurations based on the end user's setup. It is recommended that the system be fed via dedicated pump, as this is the safest method, yields consistent flow, and is easiest to maintain. However, it can also be fed via a T off the return pump or via overflow; with that option, the hose barb adapter will be straight.
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    Lighting


    The light fixtures are ready to plug in and use out of the box, and consist of 2 oversized heat sinks (fins oriented vertically), each with 6x 660nm Deep Red 3W LEDs and 1x 455nm Royal Blue 3W LED for a total of 14 LEDs, powered by a Meanwell LPC-35-700 constant current, non-dimmable driver. Connectors are installed for easy disconnection of fixtures from driver and each other. LEDs are mounted to the heatsinks using Berquist Thermal Pads. Heat sinks and LEDs are thoroughly cleaned prior to adhesion to insure proper contact.


    No active cooling is required with the LEDs running at 700mA as long as there is some kind of general airflow convection path in the scrubber location. The fixtures will be recessed into the box and protected on all sides, with only the heat sink fins exposed. There is a small range of adjustment for distance between the LEDs and the screen, which is accomplished by adjusting stand-off screws. The fixture is held in position by a nylon thumbscrew.


    The 660nm Deep Red LEDs are arranged in a rectangular pattern, 2" apart, with the 455nm Royal Blue LED at the center. The LEDs are roughly 2" from the screen on each side at their closest setting. Lighting intensity is more than adequate to qualify under the double-light rule, so light only needs to be on 9 hours/day (after the screen is fully cured). Diffusion grating is included and it is highly recommended that this be used.


    Each scrubber comes with 2 heat sinks
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    The heat sinks and LEDs are cleaned with denatured alcohol to remove any resin from soldering (I pre-tin the LEDs) as well as oils and/or residue from the factory. This ensures that the thermal pads make solid contact. I then etch placement lines on the heat sinks
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    The thermal pads are placed
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    The pre-tinned LEDs are attached
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    The heat sink is drilled for stand-off screws and wiring pass-thru, and wiring connections are soldered
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    The fixtures are bench-tested
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    The stand-off screws are installed
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    These hold the fixtures such that the LEDs do not directly contact the diffuser or the clear acrylic windows of the box
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    Holes are drilled in the main scrubber box, then tapped for the nylon thumbscrews. These can be tightened down so that the fixture will stay in place.
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    Here are a few pics of the unit with the LEDs running
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  4. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    LEDs





    I manufacture the fixtures using either Philips 660s & Cree XT-E 455s or Epistar 660s & Epiled 455s. The Philips/Cree LEDs have 1000mA max current, the Epistar/Epiled LEDs have 750mA max current. These are priced separately.


    There are a few main differences between these "grades" of LEDs.


    The Cree and Philips (or Osram) LEDs are name-brand, and therefore a little more reliable. I get these from RapidLED.


    The Epistar and Epiled LEDs are made in Taiwan and Poland (respectively), and I get them from SatisLED in China. Epistar is a well-know brand of LED, and they are a leader in the "deep red" 660nm market. e-Shine uses their chips in their fixtures. I don't know much about Epiled. But both of these are better quality than the e-bay or China-made LEDs (the true generic LEDs), from what I can tell. They do have a lower maximum mA rating, and will probably fail a little more often.


    One other difference that I have observed is that the stars that the LED chips are mounted on are of much higher quality on the Cree/Philips than on the ones from SatisLED. This means that they do not mount quite as reliably using the thermal pads, I have had to pop a few of them off and sand the star down to get better adhesion.


    All things considered, the SatisLED chips are probably an option for anyone who knows how to replace a bad LED in the case where one goes bad. It's really not that hard, nor is it critical to operation as the array will usually still run with one failed (mine did). But if you don't want to mess with that, then go name brand.
    Availability


    Stock will vary depending on demand. I make these in lots of 15. If I am out of stock, it will last no longer than 2 weeks, unless there are other mitigating circumstances (such as having a full time job and a family LOL)
    Pricing


    The following prices are valid for registered members of this site that live in the State of Iowa. Prices are slightly lower than what I have posted on the Algae Scrubber site, I wanted to do this to offset the necessary taxes a bit, and also because these are the prices I posted prior to this.
    If you are a paid member of GIRS, then you get an across-the-board 10% discount on all prices listed below.


    OPTION #1: Out-of-box kit: Everything described above, fully assembled. Plumbing for your system and support bracket (if needed) not included.


    Option #1A: Scrubber w/ Philips & Cree LEDs: $350

    Option #1B: Scrubber w/ Epistar & Epiled LEDs: $300



    OPTION #2: DIY LED kit: All components, assemble the LED fixture yourself. Kit includes all the main parts plus what you need to make the finished product like uncut wire, crimp-on connectors, plug for the Meanwell, and choice of either 14 Berquist thermal pads or 5g of two-part Arctic Silver epoxy. You will need solder, iron, and wire stripper. $50 savings.


    Option #2A: Scrubber w/ DIY LED Kit - Philips & Cree LEDs: $300

    Option #2B: Scrubber w/ DIY LED Kit - Epistar & Epiled LEDs: $250



    OPTION #3: If you have your own LED components, and just need the scrubber itself, then you can buy the box only. Since the box is made to fit the heat sinks, this option includes those (at my cost)


    Full Scrubber w/ heat sinks only (no LED components): $200



    OPTION #4: For the scrubber without any light fixtures (this price includes box, cover, slot pipe assembly, roughed up screen, bulkhead, etc - everything except the light fixtures). This would be for anyone that wants to use a different light source, such as CFLs, or if you already have heat sinks and LEDs and like to DIY as much as possible.


    Full Scrubber w/o Lighting: $175
    Optional Pump


    I am recommending the Eheim Compact 1000 pump. It provides 40-265 GPH of flow, which should be adequate as long as the scrubber is not a significant height above the operating water level of the sump. The pump is can be added for $35.
    Shipping


    These units are packed to survive being dropped from 10 feet onto solid concrete. It will arrive in tact.


    The LED fixtures are surrounded by foam padding, which locks them in place, and the parts are placed inside the box
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    The driver is added, and additional foam inserted
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    The box is then wrapped in foam and plastic wrap. The lid and slot pipe are placed in the box separately.
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    The unit is shipped in a 16" x 16" x 16" double-walled box
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    A base of 1" foam insulation board is made
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    Peanuts and vertical bracing are added and the scrubber is placed
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    Horizontal bracing is added
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    The lid, slot tube, and pump (if needed) is added, as well as more bracing and peanuts
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    Then more peanuts
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    It takes me about an hour to get one of these ready to ship, but it is well worth it. These are shipped via FedEx Ground Shipping to anywhere in the USA (lower 48) for $40. You usually receive it within 3 days of shipping.


    International shipping is done via USPS International Priority Mail and is done on a case-by-case basis. This typically runs more like $125 USD (that's for shipping and handling), and can take 6-10 business days, any other shipping company (UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc) only has the option to ship it in 3-4 days for $350. Any duty tax, etc must be taken care of on the receiving end. Contact me directly for more details on international shipping.


    6% Sales Tax applies only if you live in the State of Iowa.


    These are introductory prices and are subject to change depending on availability and price of material (mainly acrylic). If I decide to beef up part of the design, or make needed improvements, I will likely do so in order to provide the highest quality product.
    UAS Conversion Kit


    At some point in the future, I will develop a method for conversion to UAS. The kit will not cost much, but will take a little DIY. The conversion could be done on your own as well, I just figured since I would be putting together the conversion procedure I might as well offer the kit too. But the short version is that you switch the bulkhead from the bottom to the side and put in a street elbow, seal the bottom hole and the slot tube cutouts, and possibly shift the LEDs a bit (I'm trying to work around having to do that though). A better lid may be required for the UAS.




    If you're interested and would like your name added to a waiting list, send me a PM with your contact info (e-mail address) and I will get in touch with you. I work on building these in my spare time, so my turnaround time is not that great - just a forewarning.
     
  5. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    So now that the site has recovered from the crash invoked by the above posts, I'm told it's safe to post again. LOL...
    Anyways, I do have one update.
    Rapid LED has stopped carrying Osram 660nm LEDs and will instead be carrying Philips 660nm LEDs. This was mainly because the Philips can take lenses whilst the Osrams could not. So I won't have the Philips LEDs for 2 weeks. The upside is that they cost less, and Rapid will be giving me volume pricing - something they could not do with Osrams.
    As a result, I am dropping the SatisLED line, since the price per LED is so incrementally small now between the two that quality definitely trumps the savings. Not to mention that the money is being kept in the US now.
    I also erred is stating that the GIRS discount is across-the-board: it is only for Option #1 and #2 and I meant to put $170 on Option #4 instead of $175.
    So here is an updated pricing section:
    Pricing
    The following prices are valid for registered members of this site that live in the State of Iowa. Prices are slightly lower than what I have posted on the Algae Scrubber site, I wanted to do this to offset the necessary taxes a bit, and also because these are the prices I posted prior to this.
    If you are a paid member of GIRS, then you get a 10% discount on Options #1 and #2 listed below.
    OPTION #1: Out-of-box kit: Everything described above, fully assembled. Plumbing for your system and support bracket (if needed) not included.
    Scrubber w/ Philips & Cree LEDs: $325 (GIRS discount price: $292.50)
    OPTION #2: DIY LED kit: All components, assemble the LED fixture yourself. Kit includes all the main parts plus what you need to make the finished product like uncut wire, crimp-on connectors, plug for the Meanwell, and choice of either 14 Berquist thermal pads or 5g of two-part Arctic Silver epoxy. You will need solder, iron, and wire stripper. $50 savings.
    Scrubber w/ DIY LED Kit - Philips & Cree LEDs: $275 (GIRS Discount price: $247.50)
    OPTION #3: If you have your own LED components, and just need the scrubber itself, then you can buy the box only. Since the box is made to fit the heat sinks, this option includes those (at my cost)
    Full Scrubber w/ heat sinks only (no LED components): $205 (no discount)
    OPTION #4: For the scrubber without any light fixtures (this price includes box, cover, slot pipe assembly, roughed up screen, bulkhead, etc - everything except the light fixtures). This would be for anyone that wants to use a different light source, such as CFLs, or if you already have heat sinks and LEDs and like to DIY as much as possible.
    Full Scrubber w/o Lighting: $170 (no discount)
     
  6. hart

    hart Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Wow, that is way cool and not a bad price considering what other filters and skimmers go for...

    Not the best for my little biocube, but if I ever get a larger reef tank I would get one for sure! Great job.
     
  7. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Yes for a biocube w/o a sump, I would consider a UAS dropped in the back chamber.
     
  8. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Just a bump for this, I'm finishing up the first batch of 15 and just picked up all the parts for the next batch of 15. At least 10 of those are already spoken for and they should all be done by the end of July.

    I've sold and shipped these all over the country, as well as Norway and Ireland. Mexico and the UK are in the next batch.
     
  9. Nik Experienced Reefkeeper

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    I got one and ordered a bigger one for my other tank. Working GREAT!!!
     
  10. MJB Tanks Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Hey Bud!
    Installed my scrubber today and we are up and running.  I made a simple acrylic shelf that fits in the top trim of my 29 gal sump and holds it in place.  I'm even more in love with the design of this thing now that I've had a chance to play with it!
    The new acrylic sump design will certainly have this scrubber integrated into it.
    Thanks!
     
  11. blackx-runner Administrator Website Team Leadership Team

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    You got any drawings of your design by chance that you would be willing to share? I've got an Algae scrubber coming from bud, and I have also have talked with him about making me a new sump for my 250. I would like the scrubber, and probably a 2nd unit to integrate into it nicely. Just working on getting some ideas together for the design, then move forward with the planning.
     
  12. Bela

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    Bud,
    Shooting you a PM for order! /DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/smile.gif
     
  13. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Just an update, I've got 15 units in the works but most of them are already called for. So I've got more acrylic at the CNC shop and as soon as I can get more to them I'll have parts for 15-30more units. One of these days I'll get ahead of demand...
     
  14. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    There have been a few developments as of late. The first is that I sent a scrubber off to someone with some name recognition and he will be trying it out. The second is that I have been asked to consider re-selling the L2 on a recognizable web site.

    The first could mean a jump in demand. The second would definitely mean a jump in price as I can't do a wholesale price based on what I am selling these for right now outside of Iowa. Right now I sell these for $340 on the Algae Scrubber site, which is almost $50 more than a dues-paying GIRS member can currently buy one for ($292.50 + tax)

    So if you are interested in getting one, you had better speak up pretty soon. I will be going through a few more runs of 15 and evaluating time and material cost, as well as incorporating any modifications as a result of customer feedback before taking this up to the next level. I expect that starting January 1, the price will lock in and there will be no discounts offered outside of events.

    There are a few improvements that are still on my list and I may work through these as well before making any price increase. That's what the Jan 1 date is about....
     
  15. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Who has 2 thumbs and just got put in front of 10,000 subscribers on YouTube?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vgID1TwStw&feature=em-uploademail

    This guy.
     
  16. mcclandy

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    Simply Incredible!
     
  17. dead fish Dead Fish

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    Watched the LAFishguys where you're mentioned. Nice work! Can't wait to see the episode where the L2 gets put through the paces..
     
  18. Pete H.

    Pete H. Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Bud, you worried about the competition? Lol
     
  19. Turbo's Aquatics Well-Known ReefKeeper Vendor

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    Not having really seen it in action I don't know what to think...we'll see. Not sure there's much of a market for a scrubber built into a sump. What if you don't like it?
     
  20. Pete H.

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    I would think people would see the benefits because if it's size. Looking forward to seeing the results. Good luck!
     

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