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Frustrating Cloudy Water Issue

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pete78, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. Pete78

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    I have had my new 220g tank running now for a little over 2 months. I rinsed the sand and rocks pretty well I thought before I put them in the tank. The water was cloudy as usual for a few days but became crystal clear soon after. For about a month and a half it stayed that way as it cycled. I have been running my skimmer and carbon the whole time.


    About 2 1/2 weeks ago the water began to get really cloudy. There is NO hair algea or any other type of blooms. Just cloudy water. It all seems to be suspended in the water column. All my paramaters are perfect and two seperate phosphate tests show .07 or less for phosphates. I read a ton of posts on this and the usual answer is diatom bloom but I have no phosphates or nitrates. I have been trying to patiently wait this out but it seems to me the rocks and sand may be to blame here. I am thinking I didnt clean them well enought maybe. My carbon reactor gets clogged within a week or so now and my skimmer is pumping out a fair amount of yellowish water that looks similiar to what I was washing off the rocks. I added GFO a week ago but it isnt helping with the cloudiness which reinforces my thought that algea isnt to blame. The only other thing I can think of is that my new Air Water and Ice RO/DI system came with half color changing and half regular DI resisn. Not knowing this I ran about 40 gallons of 7 ppm DI water through my ATO tank by accident because I thought my DI resin was still good. GIven that my nitrate and phosphate levels are low though I dont think this hurt me too bad.


    I did do one 40 gallon watter change a week ago but that didnt help much. It is the ONLY water change I have done since starting the tank because it was new. I am thinking my next steps shoudl be to do weekly water changes maybe to see if that helps. Right now I have only a coral banded shrimp and about 30 assorted snails and crabs. They all seem perfectly happy despite the cloud. I have been feeding them periodically because there is no algea to eat really but not over doing it by any means.


    Anyone have any ideas on what else I can do here?
     
  2. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    What type of rock did you put in? Dry rock? If so what kind? .07 phosphates could still cause some bloom. It may be that the phosphates read lower because it is being consumed and trapped by a bloom or other algae. Have you tried leaving the lights off for a few days to see if whatever is suspended dies and goes away?
     
  3. Pete78

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    It was BRS dry reef saver rock. The sand is regular aragonite about 3 inches or so deep in the main. I also have a refugium with a deeper sand bed and a few pieces of rock. I built a 90g reef for a friend with it and it was great stuff. I had a few times with his tank where the water clouded but it always cleared up in less then a week or so and I never had the yellow tint in the water like mine does now that is coming out of my skimmer. The tank is new so I have had the lights off the whole time except for a day and a half where I was testing some new Hydra 52's that I bought. I realized that was a mistake probably and shut them off. The tank is in a darker basement level with minimum light and no real direct sunlight. Even with lights off for the last week I have seen no improvement. Still hazy. I am thinking water changes may be the only quick way to export whatever is causing it.

    I thought about covering the tank with a sheet or cardboard or something to block out all light but not sure if that will matter or not. I have heard it works for some. I also thought about using one of BRS's heavy felt micron filter sock as well to see if that clears it up. I am using a regular BRS filter sock now that is changed regularly.
     
  4. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    Get yourself a 250 hot magnum canister filter. They come with a pleated cartage and this will polish the water and should clear up the water. It's always worked for me in salt and freshwater..7ppm TDS should not be a factor. Yes 0 is best but anything lower the 10ppm I have read should not be an issues. I don't use a DI and my R/O gets down to around 4 or 5 ppm.
     
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  5. rhymechizel

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    I had a similar problem with my tank. I set it up, it was crystal clear for a week or two and then clouded up for a few weeks. I was running carbon, skimmer and filter socks and it was still cloudy. All my levels I could test were perfect. I had a UV sterilizer I hadn't hooked up so I decided to hook it up to see if that would help and the next day I had beautiful crystal clear water. I added a blue hippo tang and he is very happy and looks great. I don't know what caused the cloudy water; however it was deffinately something with DNA. I would think if it was just rocks and sand making it cloudy it would settle out or filter out with a sock
     
  6. rhymechizel

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    you also said it was crystal clear for awhile and then became cloudy. I bet its something organic, bacterial bloom ect
     
  7. xroads Veteran Reefkeeper Vendor

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    yes it is heterotrophic (spelling) bacteria. Unlike your normal bacteria, this stuff can reproduce every 15 minutes, so you can do water changes every day & not get ahead of it that way.





    I am assuming you are using RODI water.



    Really back off the feeding. The best bet is to run some type of UV sterilizer to kill it off.









     
  8. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I have had that happen once in the past. It was a bacterial bloom. I ran two Hot Magnum HOB filters for a few days and it cleared it up. I have two of them you can borrow if you want.
     
  9. GoodGreef Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    I second the UV sterilizer or cannister filter running water polishing filters. My sump has a spot for filter media to fit and I had a bloom cloudiness issue after my cycle for a the first week and I put down some fluval water polishing pads in the media area. Within a day it had cleared up so I took out the pad. It returned once more a few days later so I used them again and it hasn't returned since.


    Also, my tank has about 80 lbs of BRS reef saver and I used Caribsea Seaflor sand and I experienced a bloom similar to yours for what it's worth.
     
  10. FishBrain Expert Reefkeeper GIRS Member

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    I would do as suggested above and run a micron filter and a uv steralizer.
     
  11. Pete78

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    That sounds good. Thanks for all the info everyone. I will try to run the HOB's for awhile. Anyone suggest a good UV sterilizer? I haven't run UV before really. Do you guys run them all the time or just to cure blooms?

    Jim, are you planning on being in IC / Coralville this week or weekend by chance? I will take you up on your offer to borrow your filters if you are. Thanks man!

     
  12. Reefman

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    I had a bacterial bloom in the past and I had found dilution was the best solution, I changed filter socks repeatedly until it went away and turned off my skimmer until it was over.....by repeatedly changing socks I did it at least 8-10 times because they filled up quick.....

    Always nice to have extra socks around instead of having to rinse them right away.....
     
  13. rhymechizel

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    I used a 36 w turbo twist. Emperor Aquatics is suppose to be the best for UV though. The turbo twist 36 W is around 180 on Amazon and the emperor 40 W is 350 on bulk reef supply. If you choose to run UV you should run it all the time. It will help prevent disease on your fish but it wont cure them.
     
  14. OneFishTwoFish

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    If you go to Sea of Marvels, hung sometimes lends out his HOB filters that work like crazy! I used it when I was transferring everything over to my new tank and it cleared all the water up in a couple of hours.
     
  15. PotRoast

    PotRoast Well-Known ReefKeeper

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    Pete I won't be in town this weekend but I can leave them out if you want to come down. You will need to buy X2 micro polishing filters because they will most likely be trashed after you do run them.

    I have a new phone and lost your number text me.
     
  16. Pete78

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    Jim, I think Mark has one already that I can use and I might ask Hung too. I might save the gas to your place for grabbing some frags from you once my tank is ready. Thanks for the offer though. I cant text you if your number is different so I will email. Email the same right?

    Also, I tried to buy one from Petland over here on the East side IC but they wanted $100 for it!! It costs $60 online and about $70 at every other store. Unreal. Asked the guy if they would price match $70 so I didnt have to drive accross town and no dice at all. You drive a hard bargain Petland!!! Hilarious. I am probably just going to see if one unit helps tonight and add another one tomorrow if not. Might not be a bad idea to own one or two anyway.

    I'll let you guys know how it turns out. Hope to have some crystal clear water by the weekend. Really tired of looking at it !
     
  17. Kpotter2 Expert Reefkeeper

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    Hung sells them too. I think he would work with you on price.
     
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